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I found some amazing 3D printed accessories on Etsy! CHECK EM OUT, THEY ARE AMAZING. (List of some items)

Thumbstops
Ironsights
Magazine Holders
Magazine Baseplates
Magazine Extensions with Hollow Storage
ALL TYPES of Rails
Charging Handles/Rings
 

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I found some amazing 3D printed accessories on Etsy! CHECK EM OUT, THEY ARE AMAZING. I got the AFG and have a Mag holder in the mail on the way! (List of some items) I will post a picture when I get my magazine holder with rails on each side+handstop. Yes, these accessories are that cool.

Angled Foregrips/Thumbstops
Ironsights
Magazine Holders
Magazine Baseplates
Magazine Extensions with Hollow Storage
ALL TYPES of Rails
Charging Handles/Rings
Looks pretty cool. We need to find out if TrungTheMaker does special requests.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/785212...p33&ref=sr_gallery-1-3&organic_search_click=1
 

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Be careful about purchasing accessories. A vertical foregrip on a handgun is not legal in the US. The last I recall, the BATFE allows angled foregrips but I think they're generally 45 degrees or more. The legal theory (for what it's worth) is that a handgun is designed to be fired one handed, even though they're usually fired with both hands for better control, and that's why a second grip is verboten. Don't blame me. I don't make the rules. There are a lot of them, they don't make much sense, and ignorance of any one of them is no defense.
 

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Be careful about purchasing accessories. A vertical foregrip on a handgun is not legal in the US. The last I recall, the BATFE allows angled foregrips but I think they're generally 45 degrees or more. The legal theory (for what it's worth) is that a handgun is designed to be fired one handed, even though they're usually fired with both hands for better control, and that's why a second grip is verboten. Don't blame me. I don't make the rules. There are a lot of them, they don't make much sense, and ignorance of any one of them is no defense.
Good info to know. Thanks. But I would like to see that charging handle up close. And if they do special requests, another thread talks about brace paraphernalia by 3D printers.
 

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ATF only states that the foregrip on a handgun needs to be angled with no explanation of what that means (Typical ATF BS). In theory a foregrip at 89° would be OK. I would prefer not to be the test case and I won't be paying your lawyer fees or do the time or pay the fine if convicted so bear that in mind. If I want to do something that's questionable rather than testing things I SBR the handgun and be done with it. $200 is much less expensive than any of the alternatives.

If 89° is OK today it could change tomorrow and turn you into a felon overnight. They've done that before with Streetsweeper shotguns, silencer wipes, and just a few days ago determined that a handgun that had been in production for years and was found to be OK is instantly no good. They told the company to make it conform with no explanation of how it was in violation. It was in regards to an arm brace being on it.

edit: The reason I came here... I got all excited when I saw the mag' extension. But what a bummer! It's only for storage.
 

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Good info to know. Thanks. But I would like to see that charging handle up close. And if they do special requests, another thread talks about brace paraphernalia by 3D printers.
Alright.. I'll go fishing for ya. Here is the charging ring, and below that is the charging handle. Both made by TrungTheMaker on Etsy.

 

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I am not a lawyer, but I'm confident that a mostly vertical grip is considered a vertical foregrip by the ATF. After all, the primary grip is almost never truly vertical. The Magpul AFG (various versions) are approximately 45 degrees and the ATF has given them a provisional blessing, although those rulings are obviously subject to capricious revocation at any time, without notification, and with no grandfather clause.

Here's some info on the subject of vertical foregrips on pistols and not inadvertently creating an AOW.

https://johnpierceesq.com/does-the-atf-treat-angled-fore-grips-the-same-as-vertical-fore-grips

The source has been reliable in the past, but with the ATF, anything is possible even if you have a letter from them stating the opposite. YMMV, but I wouldn't put that mag storage grip on a CP33, and I certainly wouldn't post a picture online if I did. I also believe selling 3D printed felonies on Etsy isn't doing gun owners any favors.

The laws and agency administrative rules make little to no sense but that doesn't prevent people from being convicted of these felonies, with all the bad juju that entails.
 

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I wouldn't put that mag storage grip on a CP33, and I certainly wouldn't post a picture online if I did. I also believe selling 3D printed felonies on Etsy isn't doing gun owners any favors.
That would be a nice forend grip idea if made for a CMR 30, though.
 

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I am not a lawyer, but I'm confident that a mostly vertical grip is considered a vertical foregrip by the ATF. After all, the primary grip is almost never truly vertical. The Magpul AFG (various versions) are approximately 45 degrees and the ATF has given them a provisional blessing, although those rulings are obviously subject to capricious revocation at any time, without notification, and with no grandfather clause.

Here's some info on the subject of vertical foregrips on pistols and not inadvertently creating an AOW.

https://johnpierceesq.com/does-the-atf-treat-angled-fore-grips-the-same-as-vertical-fore-grips

The source has been reliable in the past, but with the ATF, anything is possible even if you have a letter from them stating the opposite. YMMV, but I wouldn't put that mag storage grip on a CP33, and I certainly wouldn't post a picture online if I did. I also believe selling 3D printed felonies on Etsy isn't doing gun owners any favors.

The laws and agency administrative rules make little to no sense but that doesn't prevent people from being convicted of these felonies, with all the bad juju that entails.
Good point! Thanks for the warning! I'll scratch that idea and just get a damn rifle lol.
 

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I wonder where the specs for the accessories were obtained. If they were copied (or scanned) from an existing design, it's likely that there is an IP (intellectual property) issue. In that case, printing/creating and using these items without the permission of and/or paying royalties to the IP rights holder may constitute a crime.
 

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Just FYI the Stark SE-5 Express grip is at a 45 degree angle and comes with an approval letter for pistol use. I just ordered his picatinney rail extender and that’s what I plan to use.
The Cromwell mag holder was tempting, it looked good.
Lots of debate on what constitutes a ‘vertical’ grip, I try to stay away from any grip that’s designed for your thumb to get behind, and my practiced shooting stance is with my thumb pointing forward anyways.
 

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Well my full pic rail extension from TrungTheMaker came in. Wasn’t exactly cheap, $45 plus $11 shipping. But it came fast. The bad? Well, it’s obviously 3D printed, a little nicer than the FarrowTech angled grip. And no instructions.
The good? It fits well. I thought it wasn’t gonna fit at all. had to work it a bit to get it started but once it’s on it’s solid, no play. Held in place with two mlok fasteners below. Rails seem to be proper mil spec. Color match is actually better than his photo on Etsy.
I mounted a Stark SE-5 Express grip on it.
 
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