First 5 shots are low.

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by roach711, Oct 17, 2010.

  1. roach711

    roach711 New Member

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    Mar 4, 2008
    Greetings All!

    I have a first gen P3AT that always puts it's first 5 rounds low after a field strip and cleaning. It's always the same with the first shot about 7 inches low (at about 15') and the next 4 placing progressively higher until I'm finally on target by the 6th round.

    I leave the barrel fairly dry after cleaning but I don't shoot the little guy much and don't want to remove all rust protection between firings.

    Just wondering if any of you have run across this condition?
     
  2. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    interesting....

    have you notice if the barrel block gets lower in the slide as you shoot it.
    another check would be how much can the muzzle wiggle up and down in the slide?

    for a 7" change in POI at 15' (180"") would require a barrel tilt change of 1/8" (for 3" overall lenght)
     

  3. roach711

    roach711 New Member

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    Mar 4, 2008
    At first I was thinking that everything was just settling into place after I had stripped it down completely to replace some springs and give it a thorough cleaning. But the next two times out were the same - first shot real low followed by the next four walking up to the bullseye. All rounds after those 5 stay pretty well centered.

    There's no obvious wear on the barrel or slide so I guess I'm in for a round of testing to see if it's caused by the fieldstrip or oil in the barrel or just plain cussedness. When I first aquired it I had noticed that it shot low but I had shot one clip of one brand of ammo, which shot low, and the next clip was another brand, which was fine. So, ASSUMING that the problem was with the first brand I bought a bunch of the second brand. Lesson learned - never test accuracy with a clean gun. This also brings up another lesson - My freshly cleaned piece may put its first shots somewhere other than I'm expecting.

    If it proves to consistently put the first shots low I'll just have to file the fact away in my mind and aim those first self defense shots way higher.
     
  4. rhinokrk

    rhinokrk New Member

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    Feb 20, 2008
    Aim High =)
     
  5. Ka6otm

    Ka6otm New Member

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    Sep 12, 2007
    I would bet it's oil in the barrel.

    Try running a few dry patches through it just prior to firing and see what happens.
     
  6. roach711

    roach711 New Member

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    Mar 4, 2008
    That's my first thought also. I'll find out for sure next time I get out in the woods.
     
  7. rhinokrk

    rhinokrk New Member

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    Feb 20, 2008
    I've thought about this a little...
    May I suggest shooting it a bit more?  Sounds to me like you're not used to the grip angle of the KT, and are adjusting to it.  Not trying to be an a$$, just makes sense to me.  ;)
     
  8. lop

    lop Active Member

    May 20, 2008
    Well, if you ever need to use it, go for the shortest guy first.
    My first thought was that it could be you (no offence, it is an unknown to us), but you seem to know what you are talking about. This doesn't sound like your first/only gun. Might I suggest a few tests? Shoot it, clean it, re-shoot it. See if it is reproducable. Have someone else shoot it first. Shoot a real hand banger first (.357snub, .44 or bigger....) and then re-shoot it. Shoot it, then swab the barrel with oil (alot, but not to much) and see if it drops. Let us know what you come up with. Oh, by the way, if you had not noticed, the sites on these are,well, dinky.
    Have fun, be safe, post pics...
    Lop
     
  9. ejs54

    ejs54 New Member

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    Jul 20, 2010
    This trick has always worked for me. Every time I go to the range the P3AT always gets shot since I carry it 99% of the time. After shooting the Glock 36 (very small .45) I'll always improve on the P3AT for the day. Also, what kind of sights do you have? Are they the taller/ adjustable (?) ones, or the ones that are flat and almost invisible? My father has an older P3AT and the sights are very different and he has an easier time shooting mine even though the sights are much smaller.
     
  10. JR37

    JR37 Active Member

    Jun 18, 2009
    Jonesboro, Arkansas
    I took my P3AT to the range today. Ran 50 rounds of FMJ without a problem. This gun hits where I point it. It took me a few rounds to figure out how it wanted to be pointed. I like it and it's performance a lot.
    I am glad I bought this gun.

    Life is short, be happy
     
  11. JB-Norcal

    JB-Norcal New Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    Sights, what sights?
     
  12. rcmodel

    rcmodel New Member

    Feb 6, 2005
    Eastern Kansas
    No amount of oil in the barrel would cause it to shoot 7" low at 15 feet!!

    And a condition where it was not going fully into battery, due to not enough oil on the cam & locking surface of the barrel & slide would make it shoot high, not low, because the barrel would still be tilted slightly UP were it not fully in battery.

    Methinks it might be the shooter jerking the trigger or flinching until his brain determines it's not going to hurt him after all.

    rc
     
  13. Ka6otm

    Ka6otm New Member

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    Sep 12, 2007
    You know RC, in retrospect, I believe you've nailed it. :)