FBI recommends FMJ for .380 caliber

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by razz, Aug 30, 2007.

  1. razz

    razz New Member

    Aug 30, 2007
  2. Bobo

    Bobo Well-Known Member Supporter

    Jun 13, 2005
    This was published in 1990 I beleive. Since then much better expanding and penetrating bullets and loads have been developed including; Cor-Bon DPX, Double Tap Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, and Winchester Ranger. All these rounds though still mariginal in penetration have excellent expansion capabilities.

    In the end, the .380 round is right on the edge of whether an expanding or a non-expanding bullet is best.

    For this reason I mix them in my carry magazines.

    And BTW .380 is the only round I would mix. Above .380 would be all JHP, below .380 I probably wouldn't carry unless I absolutely had to, but if I had to they would all be FMJ.

    Just my 2 cents...

  3. fatman

    fatman New Member

    Apr 6, 2005
    I'm not in the FBI.  I probably will not be shooting at BGs behind barricade's in a self defense situation.  In the event that the BG gets an arm between my gun and his vitals it will probably be his gun arm.  For these reasons among others I shoot DPX hp in my P3AT. Not that it matters much.
  4. Packer

    Packer Banned

    May 14, 2005
    I agree with Bobo 100%, but I'm not starting up this old argument again. Let the horse R.I.P.

  5. cclem700

    cclem700 New Member

    Oct 31, 2006
  6. Syndil

    Syndil New Member

    May 8, 2007
    Wow only 1 post and it's a freakin' landmine!

    razz, FWIW, people are sick and tired of hearing me preach the gospel of FMJ. But just about every argument for and against it has already been made. There are quite a few of us who agree with the FBI's logic (myself included of course) and carry only FMJ in the smaller calibers. The others just don't wanna hear it. ;D

    Welcome to KTOG!
  7. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    I think these word say it best
    [quote author=fatman  link=1171263622/15#24 date=1171405282]...the most important function of a small pocket pistol is to remind us we are in a dangerous world and that we should be alert at all times and avoid risky situations where conflict might occur.  If we have to draw the gun we are down to our last defensive line with a less than adequate weapon. In that case I doubt that we will be able to draw much comfort from having FMJ or JHP or interleaved ammo.  We would probably be wishing we had thought more about how to avoid being there at all and less about the ammo we use.[/quote]
  8. Step5pro

    Step5pro New Member

    Feb 19, 2007

  9. Syndil

    Syndil New Member

    May 8, 2007
    I disagree. The most important function of a pocket pistol is not to remind us we are in a dangerous world. I did not buy my P-32 to be a string around my finger, I bought it to for the purpose for which it was made, which is to put enough lead into a person to stop them from doing me harm. That is the most important function of any weapon used for self-defense, to stop the attacker. So I want my pocket pistol to be as effective as possible, should I ever need to use it. If I ever do have to actually draw my pistol, I can guarantee you I won't be philosiphizing about the dangers of society. The thoughts going through my head will probably be more along the lines of "DIE M*****F*****!" or if I am carrying JHP, "WHY WON'T YOU DIE M*****F*****!"  ;D
  10. Roger3

    Roger3 New Member

    Aug 27, 2005
    Thats a very interesting document.
  11. jackde3

    jackde3 New Member

    Aug 29, 2007
    Put cyanide in a hollow point and cover it with a drop of bees wax
    Then you wont have to worry so much about penetration.
  12. Sangueffusor

    Sangueffusor New Member

    May 13, 2007
    You'd probably die of blood loss before the cyanide took effect! ::)
  13. burley

    burley Well-Known Member

    Nov 26, 2006
  14. Captiva

    Captiva Member

    Mar 7, 2006
    I want to see a test on mountain goats before I switch bullets. :D
  15. Spikejerk

    Spikejerk New Member

    I always thought a drop of mercury would be a particularly nasty option.
  16. c0wboi38

    c0wboi38 New Member

    Sep 19, 2006

    The fbi has logic?!


  17. nicneufeld

    nicneufeld New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    I always thought a drop of mercury would be a particularly nasty option.

    While we're off topic with "Self Defense Loads To Get You Sued Into The Stone Age", what if you filled a hollowpoint core with white phosphorous and sealed it immediately?

    Or am I getting confused with the element sodium, which can ignite violently with air or water...
  18. Packer

    Packer Banned

    May 14, 2005
      Well this is an interesting new slant to an old topic.

      While we're contemplating illegal loads: How about a little NAPALM sealed into that hollowpoint?  :D Can you envision the reloading process if it involved milking a poisonous snake into a bullet cavity?  I'll bet even CLARK, without doubt the bravest KTOGer, would shy away from that! :D

  19. nicneufeld

    nicneufeld New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Crossing the napalm idea with the pyrophoric Sodium idea, and we have:

    (From wikipedia)

    Thickened pyrophoric agent (TPA)
    Triethylaluminium thickened with polyisobutylene is used as an incendiary weapon, as a pyrophoric alternative to napalm, e.g. in the M74 rockets for the M202A1 launchers. [1] In this application it is known as TPA, for thickened pyrotechnic agent or thickened pyrophoric agent.

    from another site:
    Each rocket consists of an M235 warhead, containing approximately 1.34 pounds (0.61 kg) of thickened pyrophoric agent (TPA), an M434 fuze, and an adapter, which adapts an M54 rocket motor to the warhead. The TPA is triethylaluminum (TEA), a substance similar to white phosphorus, which burns spontaneously when exposed to air at temperatures between 1400-2200 degrees Fahrenheit.

  20. Packer

    Packer Banned

    May 14, 2005
    I've been out-napalmed! :cool: Any takers on the snake-milking? :D