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Well, I first had a SU-16B in about 2005 because it was acceptable under California's draconian laws. I loved it, but sadly let a friend of mine talk me out of it in 2007. I left California for 4 years, then bought another B model when I returned in 2011.

I was as happy with it as the original, but found that with "Off List Lowers," and "featureless builds" I could have AR15s and AKs in California, so I only kept it for a year or so, and stupidly sold it.

Well the legislators closed the loopholes and are requiring AR15s and AKs for the most part to be registered as assault rifles effective 1-1-2017. M1 Carbines, Mini-14s, and Kel Tech SU-16s, however, are exempt from registration.

I am going to register my two ARs (a retro USAF 604 20" rifle clone and a retro 653 16" Carbine), and my PTR91 .308 HK G3 clone as Assault rifles. Because you are very limited as to what you can do and where you can go with RAWs (registered Assault Weapons), and you can not pass them down to your kids or grandkids if they live in California, I want several good weapons that don't need to be registered. I don't want my home defense weapon to be a RAW. That would probably have political implications if I had to use it.

My 6 digit WW2 M1 carbine is safe, and I may even return the Saiga that I converted to an AKM, back to sporter so I don't need to register it. I still want a 5.56 semi-auto, and don't trust running an AR "California Featureless" since i think they will close that loophole too.

SO, I just bought a NIB Kel Tech SU-16B off Gunbroker for $499! I can use my numerous M16 mags I accumulated in 7 years military and 22 years as an LEO in the Kel Tech. While the new California Law bans all magazines over 10 rounds, no matter when you got them, retired and active LEOs are exempt.

Is it fair? Heck no, I think everyone should be able to have them. Do I think I am special? Heck no, just lucky. At least being permanently disabled in the line of duty and forced out on retirement earned me something other than a 50% pension. While I do feel badly for my friends and all other shooters who are not LEO, I am not getting rid of my high caps in solidarity.
 

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My SU16 B is at the dealer, and beginning its 10 day California jail term. It is NIB, but is the 16" pencil barrel version rather than the current B models, which I understand are heavier barreled. Already have sling kit, case, and a bunch of MK262 MOD1 77 grain OTMs.
 

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Finally getting my Bravo Model today. Between slow shipping (snail mail a money order to the GB seller, then Fed Ex ground), then the requisite DROS waiting period, and finally me being gone for a week when it was ready to come out of Californication 10 day jail, it seems like forever. Probably stop at the indoor 50 yard range and sight it in with my MK262 MOD1 77 grainers.
 

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Luckily possession will only be an infraction (like a speeding ticket) for us peons. I'd be surprised if more than 5% of owners obey the law. That doesn't mean they'll leave the house with them...

A lot of people estimate compliance with registration in 2000 was around 10% and that's a felony.
 

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Luckily possession will only be an infraction (like a speeding ticket) for us peons. I'd be surprised if more than 5% of owners obey the law. That doesn't mean they'll leave the house with them...

A lot of people estimate compliance with registration in 2000 was around 10% and that's a felony.

While most of the folks I know are registering (I did in 1990, and nothing bad happened -besides they already know what I have) no one is turning in magazines. Leave at home, don't talk about them, and use 10 rounders in public.... I really think they made it only an infraction (instead of misdemeanor or felony -which are crimes)n, because they did not want to make millions of criminals, since no one will comply.
 

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And all of these laws are flagrantly unconstitutional. I'm a bit surprised that commie states like Kalifornistan are able to get away with flaunting the constitution with impunity. Has nobody challenged these laws in the US supreme court?
 

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I even talked to a range employee who said that it isn't his problem if people use >10rd magazines there, which really is the right way to do it. If the cops show up (which they do often) and check guns (which I haven't seen happen), it's on the people who brought them rather than the range.

Jackal, I know New York's was challenged and it held up.
 

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I even talked to a range employee who said that it isn't his problem if people use >10rd magazines there, which really is the right way to do it. If the cops show up (which they do often) and check guns (which I haven't seen happen), it's on the people who brought them rather than the range.

Jackal, I know New York's was challenged and it held up.
That's insane. Must have some leftist idiots on the supreme court at the moment. Pretty sure proscribing all kinds of guns based on cosmetic features and limiting the size of magazines is an "infringement" of the right to keep and bear arms.
 

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I really think I like the SU-16CA a little better then the B
I like the heavier barrel of the CA, but like the longer sight radius of the B. I got the B at a better price than any CAs I saw, and it is current production that for sure had the 1/7 twist barrel. That was deal sealer. I use MK262 MOD1 77 rgn OTM SMKs. DEVASTATING round.
 
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