[Sailortom]

I just wanted to pass along a tip for how I sometimes carry my PF9 in deep concealment.

I sometimes use IWB or more standard types of concealment, but I find that being "made" is really a deal breaker. In addition, many of the standard methods don't work well with a tucked in shirt. I used to use "smartcarry" which is an improved "thunderware" holster with larger guns to carry in the appendix position and have no visible buckle or clip showing on my belt when I carried larger guns.

With the PF9, I made use of the awesome kel-tec belt clip at times for IWB without the bulk of a holster, and then I got an idea....

Try using the PF9 and belt clip on a second belt, that you wear UNDER your regular pants. Basically, from the skin up, you wear:

1. Underwear
2. Belt with PF9 attached via belt clip
3. Pants with belt.

I found that I could have the PF9 on the strong side hip or appendix position with absolutely nothing showing, even with a tucked in shirt.

Give it a try and let me know what you think. Also, if my description isn't clear enough I'll try to clarify. It's an easy deep cover technique that has the added advantage of needing nothing special other than a second belt that you probably have lying around anyway.

 

[mtn_chef]

Chef pants have a drawstring and don't hold up a pistol tucked without cutting into the body once tied super tight. I've tried this "under belt" for a period of time with some success. Yes it's doable; however I wore the set up to the range for testing practice draws. Created too much interference in my opinion. Considering I knew I'd also have an apron over this rig, too much going on for that "oh poop" moment should I have to draw. Did it support and conceal, yes. Could you train and practice to effectively get to it? probably... you might also shoot your johnson too.
I eventually bought a pocket .380 and decent pocket holster...

 

[Sailortom]

Chef pants have a drawstring and don't hold up a pistol tucked without cutting into the body once tied super tight. I've tried this "under belt" for a period of time with some success. Yes it's doable; however I wore the set up to the range for testing practice draws. Created too much interference in my opinion. Considering I knew I'd also have an apron over this rig, too much going on for that "oh poop" moment should I have to draw. Did it support and conceal, yes. Could you train and practice to effectively get to it? probably... you might also shoot your johnson too.
I eventually bought a pocket .380 and decent pocket holster...

Hi Chef, thanks for chiming in with your experience. I have worn scrubs at work and I imagine they might be like chef pants. Definitely can't hold up a gun of any kind.

I never tried practicing my draw with scrubs (only jeans) and I could see that it might be an issue getting the gun out fast enough for a date at the OK Corral, but it still should allow one access to the gun if a few seconds warning were had.

 

[mtn_chef]

yep, scrubs and chef pants are often made by same company. We started wearing scrubs before the chef pants had the cool pockets for cell phones and other stuff.

Recently I discovered Clint Smith and Thunder ranch. He has some you tube videos and is one of those crusty old school guys that has a huge amount of knowledge, and is entertaining as well. One of the little jewels of knowledge I picked up from him was how a keen sense of situational awareness can compensate for a less than ideal carry rig. He's a 1911 guy, but all things considered his ideas are f'n spot on.

 

[rutrow]

Another idea tom ,instead of the extra belt .you could fasten a flat loop to the inside of the pants out of webbing
Wide enough for the clip to slide into.

 

[CJP32]

If you've had success with the thunder wear in the past why not use that? I imagine it would be more comfortable and still do what you want.

I carry my pf9 with the belt clip at 3 o'clock when I'm not working. I don't have to tuck my shirt in so it's easy to conceal. I do wear an undershirt, the "wife-beater" type, just so it's not against my skin.

 

[Sailortom]

If you've had success with the thunder wear in the past why not use that? I imagine it would be more comfortable and still do what you want.

I carry my pf9 with the belt clip at 3 o'clock when I'm not working. I don't have to tuck my shirt in so it's easy to conceal. I do wear an undershirt, the "wife-beater" type, just so it's not against my skin.

I used to use a thunderware (actually SmartCarry brand) for many years when I carried my kimber compact .45. Worked great but my model of holster is a bit big for the PF9.

Thunderware and the pf9 would be a dynamite combo, no doubt. I just wanted to share the 2nd belt and clip option because it is so very simple and cheap.

 

[CJP32]

Ah, that makes sense.
Rereading it again I could see how it would also be good if you can't wear a belt like mtn chef pointed out.

I guess I'm just spoiled by being pretty casual on my own time, lol. I have open carry while working so it's not an issue there.

 

[CJP32]

Speaking of the smart carry is there any issue with mobility when wearing it? I've started going to the gym again and it bothers me that I have to be unarmed. Could you workout with it on do you think?

 

[Sailortom]

Speaking of the smart carry is there any issue with mobility when wearing it? I've started going to the gym again and it bothers me that I have to be unarmed. Could you workout with it on do you think?

The smartcarry holster never shifted from side to side but if worn with the pouches front and center, and the gun in the strong side appendix position, it does create problems with movement. When running, for example, the weight of the 1911's barrel and slide would cause the gun and holster to swing forward and backward, which is pretty uncomfortable to one's sensitive parts.

A smaller and lighter gun, like the pf9 would probably fair much better in this regard. Being smaller, the center of weight of the gun will be closer to the waist straps, creating less pendulum effect. Less weight will make it less likely to move and pendulum at all.

I think it would work better than any other option you might have. Carrying at the gym is difficult, unless you work out in an overcoat, or are okay with off body carry in your gym bag.

 

[CJP32]

I might have to try it with my PF9 or p3at then. Even if it doesn't work out at the gym I will have another carry option.

 

[Jamie]

http://www.pistolwear.com/
Check these people out, I have one I carry my PF9 in quite a bit. I wear it while running, wore while running a 5k race, no problems.

 

[CJP32]

http://www.pistolwear.com/
Check these people out, I have one I carry my PF9 in quite a bit. I wear it while running, wore while running a 5k race, no problems.

Will do, thanks.

 

[Sailortom]

http://www.pistolwear.com/
Check these people out, I have one I carry my PF9 in quite a bit. I wear it while running, wore while running a 5k race, no problems.

Interesting setup; thanks for you're experience with it. I assume you have the PT-1 or PT-2?

For another deep concealment option, or perhaps gym wear with a baggy shirt, has anyone used the 5.11 holster shirts or the holster shirts from under-tech?
https://www.undertechundercover.com/collections/all-mens-items/products/utuc-mens-concealment-tank-top

I have one of the undertech concealed carry shirts, but I gained a few pounds since buying it, and purchased it a size too small to begin with, so now it's not useable. If I recall the butt of the PF9 printed with the lightweight shirts that I like to wear, but was hidden by a heavier fabric patterned hawaiian shirt.

 

[Jamie]

Interesting setup; thanks for you're experience with it. I assume you have the PT-1 or PT-2?

For another deep concealment option, or perhaps gym wear with a baggy shirt, has anyone used the 5.11 holster shirts or the holster shirts from under-tech?
https://www.undertechundercover.com/collections/all-mens-items/products/utuc-mens-concealment-tank-top

I have one of the undertech concealed carry shirts, but I gained a few pounds since buying it, and purchased it a size too small to begin with, so now it's not useable. If I recall the butt of the PF9 printed with the lightweight shirts that I like to wear, but was hidden by a heavier fabric patterned hawaiian shirt.

I have either the PT-1 or 2, it's the smaller of the two. A side bonus, they don't allow sweat through to the gun, I've tried! I bought some of the Undertech carry shirts for one of my daughters, I need to ask her how it's working out, she seemed to like it when she first tried it on. Yes, some sort of cover garment is need for those.

 

[ACME_GP]

PF-9 deep concealment:

Paints with "deeper" pockets.

Seriously...