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I am sold on the new Xtreme Cavitator rounds from Underwood/Lehigh Defense. Seeing that there is now a great ammo for the little pocket rocket, wouldn't it be amazing if there was a double stack P32? Think about it. 12-14 rounds in a pistol that size with just a little thicker grip. This would be the ultimate pocket pistol. Who's with me? How do we get Kel Tec to make this gun?
 

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Just as soon as they catch up on the demand for the models they make now it will get all the attention it deserves.;);)
 

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I am sold on the new Xtreme Cavitator rounds from Underwood/Lehigh Defense. Seeing that there is now a great ammo for the little pocket rocket, wouldn't it be amazing if there was a double stack P32? Think about it. 12-14 rounds in a pistol that size with just a little thicker grip. This would be the ultimate pocket pistol. Who's with me? How do we get Kel Tec to make this gun?
I'm sure they'll get on it right after they release the .380ACP version of the PF9 and P11 that people have been clamoring for for decades, which Ruger, and even Cobra!, beat them too. :p

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I would prefer to see Kel Tec make a .32 acp along the lines of the Walther PPK only locked breech with 10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Something to carry IWB or in a shoulder holster. :rayof:
 

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My thinking is this: A double stack would still be tiny and even the grip should still be under an inch. With this new ammo and a high capacity it would be more than just a backup gun. it would be a legitimate contender for one and only everyday carry.
 

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I've yet to see a story wherein a concealed carrier fired more than a round or two, let alone a double stack mag full. The entire justification for these guns is small, thin and ultralight to maximize ease and convenience of concealed carry. Kel-tec literally invented this.
 

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Taurus already did this and ended up dropping their double-stack .32 after a few years of non-sales. PT-132, I think was the model (too lazy to look).
 

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Taurus already did this and ended up dropping their double-stack .32 after a few years of non-sales. PT-132, I think was the model (too lazy to look).
Timing is everything. Now there's a round (Cavitator) that makes it a viable self defense choice. Also, the Taurus Millenium .32 was heavy and huge by Kel-Tec standards.
 

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Taurus already did this and ended up dropping their double-stack .32 after a few years of non-sales. PT-132, I think was the model (too lazy to look).
The PT-132 was the Millennium Pro series, along with the 9mm and .40S&W chambering. Significantly larger than the Kel Tec P32, a tad larger than the Kel Tec P11, actually. The Millennium Pro series was recalled because of the faulty safety issue and replaced with the G2 series, featuring an updated safety system, different grips, and a few other tweaks. The G2 series was a fairly significant redesign.

While I suspect that low sales was the reason that the .32ACP chambering wasn't carried forward to the G2, it wasn't why the Millennium Pro series was discontinued.

Probably can find them on the used market.

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So you only load 2 rounds in your P11?:eek:
Actually, there are zero rounds in it. :)

I almost exclusively carry a p3at, on the rare occasion, a pf9.
 

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The PT-132 was the Millennium Pro series, along with the 9mm and .40S&W chambering. Significantly larger than the Kel Tec P32, a tad larger than the Kel Tec P11, actually. The Millennium Pro series was recalled because of the faulty safety issue and replaced with the G2 series, featuring an updated safety system, different grips, and a few other tweaks. The G2 series was a fairly significant redesign.

While I suspect that low sales was the reason that the .32ACP chambering wasn't carried forward to the G2, it wasn't why the Millennium Pro series was discontinued.

Probably can find them on the used market.

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I didn't say anything about the entire line, only that their double stack .32 was something they opted not to continue. I wanted one, never ran across one. Probably just as well.

Of course it was larger than a P-32. It would have to, in order to be a double-stack. If Kel-Tec were to follow the proffered suggestion, it would also be significantly larger than a P-32. Possibly smaller than the Taurus, or possibly built more or less on the P-11. Who knows ?

I was simply pointing out that this isn't a concept nobody's thought of before, or tried. I have serious doubts that anyone willing to pack a firearm the size of a P-11 would do so with .32 ACP when they can do so with 9mm/.40. And I absolutely don't buy that this new ammo puts .32 ACP on par with 9mm. But people are entitled to think what they want.

My Gen II P-32 is still the gun that spends the most time in my pocket. That's due to size and weight. When I can carry bigger, it's a Shield.
 

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I didn't say anything about the entire line, only that their double stack .32 was something they opted not to continue. I wanted one, never ran across one. Probably just as well.
I kinda want one too. No good reason, really. I just like guns that are a bit different.

Of course it was larger than a P-32. It would have to, in order to be a double-stack. If Kel-Tec were to follow the proffered suggestion, it would also be significantly larger than a P-32. Possibly smaller than the Taurus, or possibly built more or less on the P-11. Who knows ?
Could build a 12 round .32ACP double column gun the size of a PF9. Maybe a tad slimmer.

I was simply pointing out that this isn't a concept nobody's thought of before, or tried. I have serious doubts that anyone willing to pack a firearm the size of a P-11 would do so with .32 ACP when they can do so with 9mm/.40. And I absolutely don't buy that this new ammo puts .32 ACP on par with 9mm. But people are entitled to think what they want.
I'd be interested in a PF32 with a 12 round mag. Maybe. Or maybe not. I think that'd be about the sweet spot for a double-stack .32ACP carry gun.

My Gen II P-32 is still the gun that spends the most time in my pocket. That's due to size and weight. When I can carry bigger, it's a Shield.
My Gen 1 P32 is on semi-permanent loan to my father. For pocket carry, I end up carrying my Taurus TCP 738. IWB gets my PF9 or R51.

I have OWB carried my CZ70 a few time so I'm certainly not opposed to a larger sized .32ACP gun. It's just not really for me. :)

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My feelings If you keep buying that ammo is the greatest since slice bread. You might need that much ammo.

Till that ammo has a proven track record. Iam not buying a lot of jello hype. That really proves nothing .
So you're a "morgue monster." How often is anyone shot with.32 ACP, never mind this particular brand?

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Gel tests are as good as it gets for testing ammo. When done properly it gives a consistent way to compare ammo. It's not the same as an actual body of course but no two bodies are the same either. Actual shootings don't give good data that can be compared, there are two many variables.

I can tell you from the shootings I've been involved in that a bullet usually does something unexpected when it hits a person. One that stands out is a guy who shot himself in the temple with a 38spl, he was walking around when we got there. Another was shot in the thigh with a 45acp, he wasn't even bleeding and insisted on his friend driving him to the hospital.
 

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Gel tests are as good as it gets for testing ammo. When done properly it gives a consistent way to compare ammo. It's not the same as an actual body of course but no two bodies are the same either. Actual shootings don't give good data that can be compared, there are two many variables.

I can tell you from the shootings I've been involved in that a bullet usually does something unexpected when it hits a person. One that stands out is a guy who shot himself in the temple with a 38spl, he was walking around when we got there. Another was shot in the thigh with a 45acp, he wasn't even bleeding and insisted on his friend driving him to the hospital.
Just don't expect that unimaginable bit of luck to be on your side should it happen to you! The lady cop that stopped a .357 with her heart comes to mind...she lived, but don't bet the farm or even a shock of hay you or a loved one would be so lucky.

Larger caliber weapons occasionally do fail. Fail to kill. Fail to seriously wound. Fail to stop a serious concerted attack. But it is the exception. NOT the rule! History has proved the dead opposite for dozens of decades in hundreds of shootings or large caliber weapons would not have survived to be the dominate pistol caliber in real life situations such as law enforcement and war. If a smaller caliber is used, expansion is still king so we are once again back to large calibers ie bullet size doing the job. True. Putting said bullet in the right place is crucial, but larger bullets still overwhelmingly do the job better. Surgical precision is nice to dream about in a gunfight, but in any situation I would find myself in? Give me a solid hit from large caliber weapon first and foremost.

Even going back a mere one hundred and fifty years to the War of Southern Independence. .44 caliber weapons were prized above every other sidearm available by both North and South. This is simply an undeniable historical fact.

Because it worked. Time and time again.

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