Featured Best tactical/practical location for light

Discussion in 'KSG Bullpup Shotgun' started by Grizzly Adam, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. Grizzly Adam

    Grizzly Adam Member

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    I have a KSG arriving this week and looking at decorating it with new furniture. I see some of you mount your lights on top and others on the slide. Is there a tactical or practical advantage/disadvantage to one vs the other?

    Obviously, if it's on the slide you can potentially flick the light on/off without removing your hand which is advantageous. If it's on top, you're not accidentally hitting it with your hand due to racking or recoil.

    I imagine when the slide is racked back, the barrel doesn't cut off the light spill too much on the opposite side such that you're having to constantly reacquire your peripheral vision each time?

    I haven't seen many reviews of the Midwest Industries M-Lok light mount with hand stop. A few of you have it with the IWI light and Magpul vertical grip and that setup looks very appealing to me. Clean and functional.
     
  2. Susie Q

    Susie Q Active Member

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    I like the MI part. It's lightweight and sturdy. The handstop is big. Mounting the taclight on the left works for me for all my rifles/shotguns. I put it forward enough so there's minimal blockage, but there is a shadow with the KSG when it's racked back. It's easy to activate and I can't accidently do so because I have a foregrip. Even without the foregrip I don't think I'd accidently hit the push button. But I may be unique - I'm a lefty who's right eye dominant and I shoot right-handed.

    (Note that the MI mount/handstop doesn't work with the Hi-Tech lower rail add-on shown in the 2nd photo. You can mount the MI part, but you won't be able to mount a rail in its M-Lok slot because the Hi-Tech rail puts the MI part so low that there's too little room between the M-Lok slot and the KSG forend to accomodate the Magpul fasteners. I chose a Magpul RVG so I took off the Hi-Tech rail because I don't think I need to reinforce the lower rail for the RVG.)[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Mod 1: changed my mind on the MI part. Accentuates forend wiggle.
     
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  3. Grizzly Adam

    Grizzly Adam Member

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    Thanks Susie Q. Your setup is exactly what I had in mind. With the MI hand stop in place, I'm also not worried about a quality VFG breaking off and my hand passing in front of the muzzle.

    I'm going to wait until I get the KSG in hand to see if I feel like a VFG would be more natural. If not, then the MI probably doesn't make sense given the limited space for gripping and the light position. In that case, I would have to find a different hand stop (MP XTM perhaps) and maybe get the hi-tech side rail for the light.
     
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  4. glue_ru

    glue_ru Member

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    Nothing like a flashlight giving away YOUR position while you are clueless to where they are.
     
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  5. Grizzly Adam

    Grizzly Adam Member

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    LOL...nothing like blowing away your spouse or kid in the dark too...or waiting until the bad guy rubs up against you in the dark and grabs your gun. That's ok, my flash-bang launcher will disorient them first ;) You must be using NODs?
     
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  6. glue_ru

    glue_ru Member

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    Sep 13, 2020
    Negative, I prefer to wait in a shadows and let them make a noise, or expose themselves, I'm patient. :) In my own house, I'm alone, and even with family, I know where they are and hope they'd be hiding if I was hunting an intruder.
    Though I see when there could be a time and use for that, maybe the Atomic Beam dis-orienting flash would be effective as well.
    And "blowing them away in the dark" assumes your night vision has been compromised as well.
     
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  7. Grizzly Adam

    Grizzly Adam Member

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    I think I would probably opt for a light with a momentary switch for quick checks and probably a red light so as not to compromise my night vision. I like having the element of surprise too.

    The bad guy will likely have the same night vision as you, albeit lacking familiarity with the surroundings which may work to your slight advantage. If the intruder has half a brain, he'll make little to no noise entering your house, which means family members may not be aware you're actively hunting. I once had my car hood carved open with power cutting tools to disconnect the battery and nobody heard a thing. The neighbor's window was not even 20 feet away.

    In my case, I have two dogs that will be on him before he can get through a window, so he'll be distracted for me, assuming he even makes it inside.

    I can't believe nobody has made a crossbow accessory for this yet :D
     
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  8. Susie Q

    Susie Q Active Member

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    Sep 29, 2019
    I'd rather lay low, be on the dark side of a blinding taclight and fire after confirmation of the threat. But that's just for my particular in-home situation.
     
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  9. Susie Q

    Susie Q Active Member

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    Sep 29, 2019
    I also use the taclight outside at night if I hear a pack of coyotes close to livestock.
     
  10. glue_ru

    glue_ru Member

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    I like the momentary switch, best of both worlds, that I would go for
     
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  11. Grizzly Adam

    Grizzly Adam Member

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    Hey Susie Q, does your IWI light allow you to only have the light on when you're pushing the button? I don't recall if I read that about that particular light. I know it has the strobe option.
     
  12. glue_ru

    glue_ru Member

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    Sep 13, 2020
    Will this mount onto the PMR-30 with the Picatinny Riser Mount?

    edit, under barrel, with switchable strobe I'd prefer.
     
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  13. BJK

    BJK Well-Known Member

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    IMO that's the correct way to do it. I'd add that the PD should be on speaker phone and you should talk loud enough for the perp(s) to also hear. You should be in any room that one designates a "safe room". It doesn't need a steel door and concrete walls. All family members should be there behind cover and wait for the LEOs to clear the house. The safe room should have a window so that keys can be thrown to the LEOs so that they don't need to break down the doors. If family members can't make it to the master bedroom, then the safe room needs to be another room. But the job of the person with the firearm is to protect the others and not to go clearing the home. At least that's the way it should work at this time in most locations. In areas where the police have been defunded the best course of action is to move and for GODs sake don't vote to make the new AO like what you moved from.

    FWIW, for years I decided I'd just kill the lights throughout the house (The Master BR has the breaker box). Then I'd turn on the IR light and use the NVD. But if the perps have lights that might not work best. So now I go the other way and flood the hallway with so much light they can't see behind it. Lights independent of house current so that they can't kill it by shorting out an outlet. I have cover to be behind. It would be suicide for anyone to make a move to the safe room. Much better to follow my instructions, as recorded by the dispatcher, to leave my home. That recording is evidence for my defense. Or if someone is incredibly stupid and can't use the proper words, for persecution by the DA. That's the reason you put them on speaker phone and talk loudly. You're laying the groundwork for your defense should it be required. Expect that it will be required. But if you do your job on the phone correctly you might not even be put in handcuffs. Some states actions such as these might be illegal. In that case there is another option, here's where I say to move your AO again.

    The last thing I want to do is clear my home, but if it comes to that I can do it. I'm just not as effective at it as at least 2 LEOs would be.

    Edit: FWIW, I don't have a KSG, but a KS7 which would be employed about the same. Both make excellent house clearing weapons IMO. They are short enough to allow them to be at the hip and pulled back to give no one any leverage to get the gun away from you or turned around on you. That assumes you didn't pull the trigger the second they grabbed the gun and blew their hand off their arm. If you sling the shotgun MCarbo makes a pin replacement QD cup mount that allows one to easily pull the shotgun back. Using a sling attachment at the buttstock makes that move awkward at best. I found that it made it impossible.

    My KS7 isn't my weapon of choice for the safe room. But if the LEOs ever disappear it will be loaded and in it as a second choice.
     
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  14. Susie Q

    Susie Q Active Member

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    It does. I like it so much I have it on my AR too.
     
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  15. Grizzly Adam

    Grizzly Adam Member

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    I'd agree with you BJK. If there's clearly somebody in the house, it's probably best to take a defensive position and get 911 on speaker so your hands are free.

    Every situation is different. In my case, I have no kids but I do have a dog door. If there's a sound in the night, it could be a raccoon that got inside (though my dogs would be there in an instant). I'd still have to check it out. I'm not calling the cops unless I have reason to believe it's a person. My house is also small with one great room and a long hallway. This means I know exactly where the boogeyman (or boodgeraccoon) is. A more complex house with multiple family members makes things a little tougher.

    Ultimately, I'm not worried enough about it to develop tactical plans and "safe rooms" and the like. Who knows, under stress, it might go right out the window. I prefer to keep it simple...for now.
     
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  16. Susie Q

    Susie Q Active Member

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    Inforce WML modes[​IMG]
     
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  17. Susie Q

    Susie Q Active Member

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    Sep 29, 2019
    Easy to take on and off rail too.
     
  18. Susie Q

    Susie Q Active Member

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    I'm rather fond of having my M17 with a 21-round "Cali freedom" mag in the well, a round chambered and a back-up 21-round mag by the bed. It's my absolute favorite handgun. I trust it. I can't say I trust the KSG yet.[​IMG]
     
  19. Susie Q

    Susie Q Active Member

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    Sep 29, 2019
    This, as in my WML? For a handgun I go with the TLR-8.
     
  20. glue_ru

    glue_ru Member

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    Sep 13, 2020
    Ordered a cheap one to try, light only no laser, and see if I like one mounted under the barrel, lots of $25 ones available. yep, not expecting much in quality, but size and function is similar. If I like that then I'll be willing to spend bigger money for a real quality version, some of these hit $350+.
    What is a good lumen level? 600-1200?