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Hi all,

I have been lurking for sometime, reading and learning, while enjoyed PF9 ownership. Sold that and felt the need for something else from Keltec.

Enter the P40.



Picked this up a few years back - a HC model. Came with one magazine.
I sourced a P11 box to house the P40 for the time being.
And added a Pachmayr grip.

I have some Federal 155gr which work well.

Will post more pics soon ...

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That's a nice find.
 

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... some more pics of the P40 ... disassembled, showing markings on the frame.





Is the marking on the frame expected? Aside from one mag of WWB 165gr functional testing, this doesn't appear to have been fired much at all.
 

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How do you like shooting it? I stopped using 180 grain ammunition for mine some time ago. It has seen a lot of my reloads though.
 
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... sure, it's a little different to what I'm used to - previous .40 was a G27.
I have to grip tightly, the Pachmayr grip helps.

It's no range toy for sure.

I've never tried 180gr, only 165gr WWB and Federal 155gr JHP.

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... sure, it's a little different to what I'm used to - previous .40 was a G27.
I have to grip tightly, the Pachmayr grip helps.

It's no range toy for sure.

I've never tried 180gr, only 165gr WWB and Federal 155gr JHP.

--chris

I have developed many loads between 135 and 165 grain. Variety. It's the spice of life!

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keltecs problem with the p40 is they tried to squeeze the 40s&w into the p11. Frames should have been steel. Barrel should have been a little thicker. Slide should have been a little more robust. They just ran to close to the threshhold with the p40. the result was kind of a disaster IMO. The 40 is just too much power for that gun as it is.

Personally i wish they would bring it back with a few subtle changes. I actually wouldnt shoot or own one again as the barrel is kind of scarry IMO. I went through two where both pistols developed barrel cracks and slide cracks useing standard non 180grain loads and new recoil springs. One even cracked the frame.

i know they have a bit of a cult following here but they are nowhere need as rugged and well designed as the 9mm. A p11 they are not.
 

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... some more pics of the P40 ... disassembled, showing markings on the frame.

Is the marking on the frame expected? Aside from one mag of WWB 165gr functional testing, this doesn't appear to have been fired much at all.
Those markings are perfectly normal. It looks like yours hasn't been shot much. Not unusual with P-40s. People would get one, shoot it a time or two, become convinced it's too much, or not reliable, then sell it. They are not for everybody. I got my first one as a novice shooter while looking for a P-11. Fortunately, I was a member of this forum, and was able to find out what to expect from it, and how to deal with it. I eventually did get a P-11, but I shoot the P-40 better. Maybe my P-11 is just not as good a specimen as are my two P-40s.

Make sure you grip it firmly. A light, powerful gun needs to work against your grip to function reliably. You are essentially the mass that it doesn't have. (Supposedly, the reason this pistol was discontinued was that Kel Tec got tired of people sending in guns for service that were actually functioning correctly--when held firmly enough. It puts the company in the awkward position of having to tell customers that they don't know how to shoot this gun. It seems that experienced shooters often have more problems with this gun than do novices. It's not a 1911.) Loading JHP rounds from a full magazine might result in the bullet nosediving into the feed ramp and not going into the chamber. I don't know why some (most? all?) of these do this, but I load the chamber with just one in the magazine, then load the magazine to capacity and insert it. This doesn't seem to be a problem when actually firing it. Also, don't get too upset if there are some failures early. Until you know it has 200 rounds on it, a few hiccups are not out of the question. Clean and lube it frequently during this period.

The advice to stay away from 180 gr ammo in these guns is wise. I have shot some 180 gr in mine with no ill effect or malfunctions, but it does better with 165 gr or less. I carry 135 gr CorBon in mine. Another one I have carried is Remington Golden Saber 165 gr. I have seen bullet setback with Speer Gold Dot 165 gr. This can cause excessive pressure, and happens because of recoil banging the nose of the bullet against the magazine. The 155 gr ammo you have been using sounds like an excellent choice.

Too long a range session will leave your hand feeling like a claw. Once, I shot a whole box through the P-40. I switched to my Glock-17, and my hand was so stiff and numb, that the Glock got to bouncing against my trigger finger, and I essentially bump fired it. I ripped off 10-12 rounds before I stopped it. The other shooters thought I had a full auto Glock-18. That's one way to get stared at on the range. (I haven't been able to reproduce that grip.:D)

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keltecs problem with the p40 is they tried to squeeze the 40s&w into the p11. Frames should have been steel. Barrel should have been a little thicker. Slide should have been a little more robust. They just ran to close to the threshhold with the p40. the result was kind of a disaster IMO. The 40 is just too much power for that gun as it is.

Personally i wish they would bring it back with a few subtle changes. I actually wouldnt shoot or own one again as the barrel is kind of scarry IMO. I went through two where both pistols developed barrel cracks and slide cracks useing standard non 180grain loads and new recoil springs. One even cracked the frame.

i know they have a bit of a cult following here but they are nowhere need as rugged and well designed as the 9mm. A p11 they are not.
I have not owned/fired a P40. I did own a DAO polymer FN 40 that weighed ~25ozs. It was a bear with full power 40 loads and I traded it in. The 12 lb trigger didn't help matters either.

What the heck does an empty P40 weigh anyway?
 

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I'd wager that longevity, of the gun and shooters hand, could be better with the lighter bullets. No point in the 180gr, or some of the well-known hotter ammo brands, with some of the P40 failures of the past. Might want to avoid that 200gr hunting loads too.

Federal 155gr should be a good choice. I prefer 135gr or less. Won't have to worry about firearm damage. And, in a SHTF scenario, it'll get whatever 40sw is leftover(caliber shared with my Sig/Glock/Sub2K/Charter), is also why I didn't go 9mm.

I might try some ARX, Liberty, Inceptor, Glaser, Magsafe, HPR, G2RIP, or DRT in mine.
 

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keltecs problem with the p40 is they tried to squeeze the 40s&w into the p11. Frames should have been steel. Barrel should have been a little thicker. Slide should have been a little more robust. They just ran to close to the threshhold with the p40. the result was kind of a disaster IMO. The 40 is just too much power for that gun as it is.

Personally i wish they would bring it back with a few subtle changes. I actually wouldnt shoot or own one again as the barrel is kind of scarry IMO. I went through two where both pistols developed barrel cracks and slide cracks useing standard non 180grain loads and new recoil springs. One even cracked the frame.

i know they have a bit of a cult following here but they are nowhere need as rugged and well designed as the 9mm. A p11 they are not.

Cutting the lower out of a 400+ stainless steel block is added 10 ounces of weight to the gun
 
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