Ok, I had way too much time on my hands today. So while I was sitting around I made up a pros and cons list for the two. I am planning on eventually getting both, but I was not sure which I wanted first. My list did not include things they shared or are obvious, like lifetime warranty on both. So here are the lists, maybe you guys can add to it: P3AT Pro 642/442 Con 6+1 total capacity 5+0 basically Spare Mag Reload(faster) Speed Strip(slow), Speed loader(big & bulky) $280(HC) + $50(couple mags) $400 after tax .77 width 1.3 width(at cylinder) 5# DAO trigger 12# DAO trigger(iirc) 6+0(Israelli carry, I have a wee one) 5+0(cannot be unchambered, but 12#, /shrug) 11oz. loaded 18oz. loaded No manual lock caca manual lock on new ones 6+1+6 = 13(with one mag) 5+0+5 = 10(with one strip) 642/442 Pro P3AT Con No possible mag issues(no mag) Need Spare mag(debatable, I know) Speed Strip size/print Mag size/print(not a big deal tbh) Reliability(nothing beats revolver) Slightly less reliable once broken in(auto) .38 bullet size .380 bullet size ammo cost(.38 is a bit cheaper) ammo cost(not that big a deal) penetration(better ballistics) penetration(not too huge a diff here either) necessary cleanness(see reliable) cleanness(is it a word? LOL) P3AT needs to be more so I then tallied up how important these various items were to me personally, giving each item 1, 2 or 3 points each. As you can bet the P3AT edged the J-Frame out, but not by as much as I expected. I just wanted to share as my first post and get some of your opinions maybe. I have been lurking for a long while and learning and saving my change for a P3AT as my next pistol. I love all the information here and you guys are great!