As an FYI, I got a response from Federal. The Hi shok is no longer produced, in 380 at least. Not that many people probably care, everyone is going to the sexier rounds, but it is the roundest, most "feedable' JHP I have found, and does have reliable Shrooms and 9.5" penetration according to the Mouseguns Wetpack reports. I just got 250 rounds off an auction so that should have me set for a few years. Get em now if you ever wanted any. They are almost impossible to find but can still be found occassionally at auction. Then it's onto Corbon or Sabers I suppose.