+1 or grip extender

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by spark, Mar 10, 2011.

  1. spark

    spark New Member

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    Feb 6, 2011
    +1 & +3 dimention help

    Anyone have a height dimention for the +1 extention and the +3 mag (extention portion)?
    Been carring mine for some years now and would like the option time to time, but need to measure if the +1 would support my pinky or be a nuisence to it. If the +1 doesn't extend enough, then I'd have to go to the +3 mag. If the +3 is too much for what I'm wearing that day and I have to change clothing ideas.... then I would carry my PF-9.
     
  2. billjohnso20

    billjohnso20 Active Member

    Dec 7, 2008
    Re: +1 & +3 dimention help

    The +1 extension is the same length in the front as the plastic finger extension KT sells. Likewise, the +1 extension allows for a firm two finger grip on the P3AT. The nine round mag provides for a full three finger grip on the gun. IMO, the 9 rounder is best used at the range or in a mag pouch as a reload. As far as I'm concerned trying to use it for carry would defeat the purpose of the P3AT---ultra-concealability.
     

  3. badgerjohnson

    badgerjohnson New Member

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    Feb 22, 2011
    Re: +1 & +3 dimention help

    In addition the 3 mag extension when loaded makes for a gun with significantly more weight, if you carry 9+1. Feels really solid and is helpful at the range holding steady..
    Still need to trim the Hogue grip.

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  4. tomdickandharry

    tomdickandharry Member

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    Mar 7, 2011
    Orlando Fl
    Which one do people prefer? Is there a reason someone would prefer the grip over the +1?
     
  5. badgerjohnson

    badgerjohnson New Member

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    Feb 22, 2011
    I got both and really like the grip extender. The 1 mag does not add additional grip purchase. Prob. better to carry 6+1. See my note about the +3 extender which is very nice for range use.
     
  6. tomdickandharry

    tomdickandharry Member

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    Mar 7, 2011
    Orlando Fl
    Oh I definetly plan on getting the +3 for the range. I did shoot a friend's lcp with the grip extender. I might just have to get both. I do like the idea of an extra round.

    Has anyone made a +1 with the grip extender shape? Seems like a simple thing to do.
     
  7. billjohnso20

    billjohnso20 Active Member

    Dec 7, 2008
    The +1 extension does add additional grip for me. The leading edge length of the mag with the plastic finger extension and the +1 extension are the same. With the flat 6 round mag base, only 1 1/2 of my fingers will fit on the grip. With both the plastic finger extension and the +1 extension, 2 of my fingers fit on the grip with my pinky curled underneath. I carry 7+1 all the time whether in my ankle holster, pocket holster, in the holster I use when carrying in the top of my boot, carrying with the belt clip, or when holstered in my leather vest. Neither the plastic finger extension nor the +1 extension cause any problems with carry or concealment for me. A large number of KTOGers use the +1 extension full time on their P3ATs. We like it so much we wish KT would make a +1 extension for our PF-9s as well.
     
  8. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
    Big +1 fan.   :cool:

    I like the flat-faced profile for an extra finger's worth of grip that adds practically nothing to the gun...  except an extra round.   :cool:


    [​IMG]P32NAA, parkerized with +1 extension


    I think the extended grip 9 round mag would hamper the wonderfully effortless pocket carry of the P3s.  However, for other carry methods, it would be nice, offering even more grip and an amazing 10 rd capacity.




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  9. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
  10. spark

    spark New Member

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    Feb 6, 2011
    Thanks fellas, especially the pics.
    I suppose I'll opt for the +1 mag extention but, could they make mine even uglier? :-X
    Do we get a new spring with the +1 mag extention? If so, maybe I'll fabricate or machine my own.
     
  11. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
    The +1 is perfect as is...  Minimalist approach in the smallest size possible for reduced print.  Smooth/rounded edges for anti-snag.  Flat-faced with no hook that puts downward pressure on the mag.  Ugly?  Functionally, it is a thing of beauty.  Who sees it in your pocket?  Yes, it comes with a spring. I'd love to see one exactly like it for the PF9. :cool:
     
  12. spark

    spark New Member

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    Feb 6, 2011
    Ya ugggly. I will machine one with all the attributes U've mentioned Tx, yet will also look like OEM that matches the grip profile instead of a hasty after thought. I'll post a pic and then U'll be envious, just U wait n see ::)
     
  13. spark

    spark New Member

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    Feb 6, 2011
    Alright TX, just viewed a pic U posted on thread 'finish for daily carry', the one that also has the sig .357 barrel in it.
    What's that I sees on the bottom of your P3at... looks like a +1mag extention and a pinky extention added to the bottom of it, and some sort of addition to the rear of it all to fill in the normally ugly gap in order to match the rear profile of the grip??
     
  14. copterdrvr

    copterdrvr New Member

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    Apr 11, 2009
    the plus 1 round extension is awesome for two reasons-it adds another round and gives me just enough to "hold" on to to make the gun easier to control AND it still comes out of my pocket without a hitch.

    There are occasionally issues with the magazine that require you to do alittle "fitting" to get it to actually hold the extra round. Don't get scared as it's really easy. If you go to the following link you will see a detailed description ( to include pictures) that tells you EXACTLY WHAT TO DO TO FIX IT. It should take about 3 minutes to fix it. I purchased 4 of these mag extensions for me and my friends and had to do the "mod" to all of them but I purchased mine like the week they came out. Maybe the newer ones don't need the "fix"! Take a look at the link-it's painfully simple to do.

    http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/magext.htm
     
  15. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
    Hard chrome P11 with blued P40 slide also in pic + hard chrome 40 cal & 357sig cal barrels:
    [​IMG]

    First off, that's a P11 and not a P3AT.  What you are seeing is a S&W 59 series 12 rd mag with the KT spacer for said mag.  

    Regarding the P3AT +1 extension, the "ugly gap" to which you refer is an anti-snag design feature.  This is a pocket pistol - not a barbeque gun.  Less is more.   ;)


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  16. spark

    spark New Member

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    Feb 6, 2011
    The ol P11 for the P3at switcharo0ny trick. What can I say.
    Thanks for the link Copter.
     
  17. bh153dc

    bh153dc New Member

    All my mags are +1 ext. I love the feel and does not reduce the concealability of the gun. I front pocket carry with my ARMALASER, ALWAYS!
     
  18. billjohnso20

    billjohnso20 Active Member

    Dec 7, 2008
    +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

    I have the finger extension on my PF-9. I know KT could make a +1 extension for the PF-9 that would be the same length in the front of the grip while adding that extra round all of us PF-9 owners keep hoping for. I know KT has the ability and that there is the demand for it.
     
  19. tomdickandharry

    tomdickandharry Member

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    Mar 7, 2011
    Orlando Fl
    If they won't do it, maybe someone else will?
     
  20. spark

    spark New Member

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    Feb 6, 2011
    I was thinking of machining one for mine, but not sure if the exsisting spring pressure would be enough to push/cycle the last round. What U fellas think?