I had a 9mm Hi-Point, gone once I got my Sub2K. But the 10mm in a carbine is very appealing.
Waiting for the 10mm pistol. I have absolutely zero practical use for either the pistol or carbine, but if you're gonna have one, might as well have the other to go with it, right?
Would be nice if Kel-Tec used some stronger / thicker steel to make a .45 Sub2K or even a 10mm
So you don't think that the Hi Point 1095 is a "decent" carbine?Save your $$ and wait for a 10mm that looks like a decent carbine.
Have you seen the High Tower bullpup stock for HP?Obligatory Opening Statement: I STILL want a beefed up 10mm version of the SUB-2000.
I was glad to see Hi-Point selling their 10mm carbine. There's a lot I like about Hi-Point - US made with a great warranty, reliable, and very reasonably priced. I still can't get past the looks, and I'm usually not that hung up on aesthetics. Something about the Hi-Point appearance really bugs me. Their 10mm carbine has been getting good reviews, and there is apparently an after market bullpup stock that replaces most of the ugly bits.
Honestly? Because they're not going to redesign the receiver. The carbine was designed during Bill Clitton's "Assault Weapon's Ban" with its 10 round limit. The 10 round limit, along with HP's design philosophy of "keep it simple so we can keep it inexpensive" and the forever warranty, means a bunch of powerful incentives to never redesign the receiver.and why oh why don't they use the ubiquitous Glock magazines that are for all practical purposes an industry standard?
They've been popping up. There's a few over on HPFF. Accuracy is OK for those shooting, though apparently some carbines seem to like some ammo better than others.So far, I've seen only one actual range test of the 10mm carbine. Accuracy was a good deal less than exemplary. Not much better than a decent 10mm pistol, really.
Some people just like the 10. That's reason enough. Then there's the ability to share ammo with your favorite 10mm handgun.I figure there are two reasons for the pistol caliber carbines. One is the ballistic gain from the longer barrel. The other is improved practical accuracy (gun and shooter), allowing a little more 'reach' over the handgun. The HP 10mm carbine provides the first, but not the second.
I don't think so, but I guess anything is possible.The 10mm is a fairly stout cartridge, and perhaps the HP receiver is close to its limits at that power level.
Maximum SAAMI pressure for the 10mm is actually 1K less than max on 9mm +P. The 995/995TS and C9 are both rated to +P and no one has mentioned unwarranted case stretching, cracking, or other issues with that. So I suspect that it won't be a problem with the 10mm, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.Kinda wonder about the effects of a blowback (rather than delayed cycle) action on cartridge case life as well.
Bingo! The 9mm is about the threshold for blowbacks that are anything close to reasonable. Even .40 is a stretch needing so much mass to keep the case in the chamber long enough for the pressure to drop.Probably tougher to get a blowback system to delay long enough to let the pressure drop before the case starts extracting, with more total force and a longer burn time.
What were your performance metrics and benchmarks to measure against?I dabbled with .300BO and eventually sold it because the 9mm actually performs better in a HD role in terms of performance.
Some people find that the HP carbines are more comfortable to them to shoot.I feel like I'm cheating on my SUB-2000.
The benefit of a 10mm in a 10+1 carbine .. HD , Farm carbine , hawg carbine , tree stand carbine for whitetail in the bush ...Waiting for the 10mm pistol. I have absolutely zero practical use for either the pistol or carbine, but if you're gonna have one, might as well have the other to go with it, right?
Besides, I've always kinda wanted to get a Hi-Point at some point as a "just for giggles" kind of gun, although I don't know why. Maybe just to see if they really do run as well as so many claim, or if it does, in fact, jam constantly like so many OTHER folks insist. Y'know, verifying for myself. For what little they cost, you could pretty easily pick up the carbine AND the rifle (in either 9mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP) right now and pay about the same or less for those two guns as you would just to buy a pistol-caliber carbine of another flavor and type. Well, aside from the SUB2000, of course, which isn't that expensive. (Most others seem to start somewhere around the $600 mark and go up from there.) And about the only other 10mm carbines I'm aware of at this time are the KRISS Vector and the MechTech conversion carbine, so it's a pretty limited list of alternatives.
But again ... not sure what the real point of or benefit to 10mm in a single-stack carbine, aside from being a range toy and maybe as a home defense option. The ammo certainly ain't cheap, so that limits its plinking fun time as far as being a range toy, and 10mm with the added velocity of a carbine-length barrel could either result in over-penetration risks or a tendency to make a (light-for-caliber) bullet perform less-than-optimally upon impact because it'll be outside the realm of its design. Y'know, sort of like the things you see happen sometimes when people push Gold Dots and other bullets to velocities a lot higher than they were originally meant to go - jacket separation, bullet coming apart, big expansion or fragmentation but with really shallow penetration, etc. Dunno. Hafta see what some folks find as they hit the market and experiment with 'em on gel blocks and such.
Anyway. Random thoughts.
So much information in your one post.The benefit of a 10mm in a 10+1 carbine .. HD , Farm carbine , hawg carbine , tree stand carbine for whitetail in the bush ...
The 10mm in a pistol Glock 20 or 40 comes to mind as a woods carry .. I carry my 20 & 29 for SD ... Increased velocities from a 10mm with a hollow point may decrease penetration do to increased exspansion especially in a carbine , where increases in velocity maybe up to 200 FPS as compared to a pistol ...
For deer , hawgs & black bear 200-220gr Hardcast maybe the best bet ...
10mm has made it back from the ashes for a reason !!!!
10mm is a weapon of mass destruction.My 1095 looks like a Buck Rodgers Death ray gun! Oh wait... it is a death ray gun !