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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Hello everybody, new to the forums here. As all of you guys know by now, this whole assault weapons thing is getting ridiculous. Ive been doing a lot of reading and research and i have a couple questions and would like some input.

First let me give you some background on myself. I am a cop in New Jersey, a total cesspool for gun owners in case somebody doesnt know which i doubt lol. Here the laws are already strict, right on par with California. I am all for reasonable gun laws, but not the complete assault on 2A thats happening across the country and its about to get a lot worse for owners in NJ, and i would like to also give my own input and my own information for anybdoy who owns a sub 2000 in Jersey you might need to be aware of.

I own a Gen 2 S2K chambered in 40 S&W, with some 15 round PMAGS. A few weeks ago, the state senate introduced a bill to "strengthen" the gun laws. Without getting TOO in depth, it is basically identical to californias except detachable magazines are "ok" however all SA rifles will need to be featureless such as, NO PISTOL GRIP. As you know, unlike ARs, the pistol grip on the Sub is part of the gun and not removable. I was thinking a kydex wrap like in cali would make it ok, BUT.....here is where it gets tricky and i need advice.

The new law states you cannot have possession of any parts which can be made readily accessible to be converted BACK to an assault weapon. The kydex wrap, although attempting to follow the ridiculous law, is not permanent. What is going on? What do you guys think, what can be done? Here is the bill if anybody cares to take a scan. Thank you everybody and god bless.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/S1000/548_I1.HTM?mc_cid=60d4ed50bd&mc_eid=5ed67bce55
 
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The Subrifles aren't included in the list of Bad rifles (like they are in some bans), but your concern is the line "a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" as being a naughty feature.

It is later defined as: "Pistol grip" means a well-defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand. (not sure why it says shot gun there).

First off, as a law enforcement officer, you may already be exempt for an assault weapons ban. Check the Exemptions section of the current law and ask your fellow co-workers if the ban would apply to you.

You may fall under 7a in exemptions"

(7) (a) A regularly employed member, including a detective, of the police department of any county or municipality, or of any State, interstate, municipal or county park police force or boulevard police force, at all times while in the State of New Jersey;
Second, we have a bit of a predicament in that the "Pistol Grip" and the Magazine Well are one in the same. So does this apply to the Sub2K or not? You may need to contact the state justice department for clarification. I would ask if a magazine well counts as a pistol grip.

If all else fails, ruger released this recently:
https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html
It doesn't have a pistol grip and it can take glock mags, but its only available in 9mm so far.
 
#4 ·
Which is crazy but youre right. Im not sure if myself or other cops would be exempt, i will check but still. It shouldnt be anybody! These kind of things hurt people like you and me and its sad. 2A will be gone within the next 15 years mark my words. The s2k i have a feeling is gonna be a problem soley because the pistol grip isnt removable bc like you said its the mag well as well. And since that was a problem in Cali with them, im sure it will be here as well. However, the bill i read, i tried to post it but couldnt, its almost EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE. lol. Unreal.
 
#5 ·
Law enforcement and their personnel should be under the same/rules as the rest of the civil population. Police are, of course, civilians and should be subjected to the same restrictions. On duty or off. I can hear the screaming right now but policemen are armed for the same reason I am: self defense. Neither they nor I have any obligation to protect anyone else.

Banning or restricting weapons because of their looks and features is meaningless. I recall that during the Clinton presidency there was a 24/7 webcam of a loaded AR15 sitting in the corner of a room and during the entire time it was viewable on line it never hurt anyone despite being fitted with every evil feature available.

Want another stupid law example? In Ohio holders of concealed handgun licenses must inform police they're armed during traffic stops. Only applies to those holding licenses. Felons and thugs or anyone without a license is not required to inform police. No, I did not make this up.

-- Chuck
 
#6 ·
I live in Colorado which is quickly becoming Californicated thanks to the liberal extremists that live in the Denver metro area. Denver passed a law that makes 'bump-fire' stock modifications illegal and people should turn them in to the police. As of 2/20/2018 no one has turned one in. Must be that no one in Denver owns one. ;)
 
#9 ·
Not really sure how to make your S2K less obvious on the pistol grip area. It is unfortunate that NJ is such a draconian state. Thank you for serving the public. It is often a thankless job that goes unappreciated. If you ever need a new home, North Idaho is a wonderful place to live and law enforcement officers are at an all-time low. They are practically asking for anyone with two arms and legs (and clean background) to apply. A lateral transfer would be a godsend. You would never have to worry about your 2A rights being taken away here. Some food for thought.
 
#10 ·
I appreciate the response and kind words. Thank you for that. Honestly, i have felt tied down here for a while now in NJ mainly because of the job. I would definitely be interested in transfering at some point but to be totally honest im not very familiar with the process or where to start as everyone seems different. I am totally sick and tired of this state. Expensive in every way, politically charged, etc. Its basically illegal to live in Jersey. Idaho doesnt sound bad to me!
 
#15 ·
The Spokane area is really beautiful, especially just north in the Deer Park area. The only thing is the politics. Idaho is definitely more conservative, but that is changing as well. Californians are moving into the state and infesting their thinking into it.
 
#12 · (Edited)
Hello everybody, new to the forums here. As all of you guys know by now, this whole assault weapons thing is getting ridiculous...
its about to get a lot worse for owners in NJ, and i would like to also give my own input and my own information for anybdoy who owns a sub 2000 in Jersey you might need to be aware of.
...Without getting TOO in depth, it is basically identical to californias except detachable magazines are "ok" however all SA rifles will need to be featureless such as, NO PISTOL GRIP. As you know, unlike ARs, the pistol grip on the Sub is part of the gun and not removable. I was thinking a kydex wrap like in cali would make it ok, BUT.....here is where it gets tricky and i need advice.

The new law states...
Unfortunately once the door is opened on this, the law can be changed yearly :quote:strengthened:quote: and as you and the Cali people have found out, quickly becomes a game of Whack-A-Mole. Changed this so it will be legal;....aaaaand now it's not. Changed this; legal, and now it's not; repeat continuously:wall:.
Since the term "Assault Weapon" is a made-up undefined term, anything can be added to the list until it means "anything capable of firing a lethal round".
The Zillow link, while humorous, is actually the only long term solution aside from selling the sub, getting an RDB-S, and telling them to eat cake.
Even if you're exempt by being a LEO, you can't be a cop forever:rolleyes:.

Humor for the day: on the list in the law is "Bushmaster Assault Rifle".
Assault Rifle = select fire machine gun. Bushmaster doesn't make one.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Since the term "Assault Weapon" is a made-up undefined term, anything can be added to the list...
Here's what I mean. On the list is: "M1 carbine type".
Doesn't have a pistol grip, no folding or telescoping stock, no thumb-hole stock, no way to add a front grip to it, civilian models don't have a bayonet mount, no threaded muzzle; so why is it on the list?
....because anything can be on the list.
 
#19 ·
Back on topic!
If you look at the New Jersey law, it has been "revised" (improved, added to, :quote:strengthened:quote:) almost every year since it was passed (at least 4 times). It is now called the "assault firearms ban" instead of the assault weapons ban because with as much stuff that's in it now, even the writers can't say with a straight face, that it's about 'assault weapons' (even if we knew what that meant:rolleyes:).
It's an open-ended gun ban, pure and simple.
Good luck to anyone trying to play along:(.
 
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