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#1 ·
I would like some feedback on what any of you have done to make your 9mm Sub 2000 more pleasant to shoot. What mods have you made or techniques that should be used to make it a more enjoyable extended range session experience for those that are sensitive.

Please refrain from wasting anyones time by stating things like what recoil etc, as they do not help with the situation. I personally do not have a problem, but purchased the sub 2k for my wife who is a new shooter and thinks all rifles are too heavy and kick too much. I am wanting her to enjoy the sport and not be turned off by the things that could be avoided if at all possible. I realize the tradeoff between heavier guns and recoil, etc, and wish to make good use of the Sub 2k and the Marlin camp 9. For the time being, most shooting will likely be done at indoor range at 25 yards or less, some freestanding and some off bench.

I took the sub to the range the first time and did much of my shooting off the bench which was perhaps set too low and I was leaning into the rifle a little more than normal. The observations I made were as follows.

1) although i put a piece of hose on factory charging handle to make more comfortable, my wife will likely have issue charging the weapon.
2) concerned that wife may feel cheek slap uncomfortable. I realize by the nature of design and light weight it will be there but want to minimize it.
3) MY old eyes do not see front sight well. if open sights would like to upgrade to ?? fiber? chevron style?
4) Wife prefers optics, but I would like to leave as designed so can fold and not buy fancy swing mount. Do QD mounts work repeatedly?
5) Although I felt no pain, I noticed red marks on my shoulder. Concerned wife may feel it.

I have done extensive research trying to find what works best on the gen2 in 9mm. Most results pull up gen 1 or 40 cal with little reflection on the 9mm g2 which can be expected as most people will not have issue like they do with the harder hitting 40 cal. I have read up on the following.

1) charging handle options Sumo or extended length
2) heavy bolt
3) gator hide bolt sleeve
4) ATI recoil pad
5) Kel Tec Sub 2000 Lever Actuated Folding Rear Sight
6) heavier brass bolt
I have been reloading 9mm with loads being closer to the starting load than the max load to make it comfortable for my wife to shoot her handguns. I intend on using these loads.

I would appreciate any feedback from those of you that have used any of the mentioned items especially in the 9mm version although some apply equally as well to the 40. I am unsure if adding too much weight via sumo and/or heavier bolt would cause feed issues. I believe I read somewhere where someone added both but probably had full power load. I would prefer to go with just the Sumo to aid in comfort, but also think the double length charge handle may make it easier to charge the weapon. Anyone tried both and have preference? I wish the double had a larger diameter and hate to add hose to it as well.

As for recoil pad, I think I may buy another stock and fasten a pad securely to it. That way, I could swap back to unmodified original in mere seconds and not need to worry about the slip on ripping on me. I figure even with great reviews, I'd be like the few that had them come loose or tear. Has anyone permanently attached recoil pad and if so which one fits best? I would like the added length, but wife may not.

Do the tube covers help when it comes to the slap/vibration or do they only help with controlling temperature? barely noticeable or definitely buy. I suspect my wife would shoot at shortest length and I would prefer longest, which also leads me to ask if an issue extending when cut short. Neither of us sports a beard so no issue getting pinched.:rolleyes:

I sighted in with a Vortex spitfire 1x but removed it when I packed up to come home and have yet to try it to see if holds zero. I am also concerned if would be bad thing for top rail to constantly be putting on and off. I would also think better to keep cheek tight against tube rather than slightly up to look through optic when it comes to cheek slap as gun would not get a run at it to the cheek. I wish I had spent more time and tested it more at the range. again, I was leaning into it and likely would be totally different scenario had I sat more upright. Any suggestions on quick detach mount or height options that work for you? If stick with open sights only, have any of you added a tritium front sight? I bought a pack of KNS precision front sight posts and painted some to use, but it turns out that they sit higher above the threads so one cannot turn down low enough to get on target. I'd like to try a different one but they are $60 a pop and not sure if good for shooting targets at indoor range.

Post getting rather long. Maybe should have split it up, but looking for combo good for new shooter that may be more sensitive than most. Personally, I would leave as it came aside from easier to see front sight post and use the camp 9 for a scoped rifle to use off bench, but that is just me. I am unsure what wife will want and I want to give her something she will enjoy. Both rifles will likely travel together since will use same mags.

Thanks for any feedback.
 
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#3 · (Edited)
I also bought a sub2k 9 this spring for my wife to get used to rifles. All 3 of these made shooting it better for not only her, but me as well.

The sub2k has since been renamed “Awesome” by my wife!

“Are we taking Awesome to the range?”

Tacticool bolt tube cover
http://www.tacticoolproducts.com/sub-2000bolttubecover/
Even though it’s thin it makes a world of difference in the “slap” and noise. Our stock is set at the longest setting and stays there. Even with the added 1.25” from the recoil pad, but my wife is 5’8. I think the longer reach actually helped her correct her stance.

ATI Gen 2 recoil pad
http://www.sub2000ati.com/store/p6/_Gen_2_-_Recoil_Pad_(Generation_2).html
This I didn’t think we needed until a day she shot a couple of hundred rounds through it and had some bruising. I like it since it lengthens the stock, and its a lot more comfy than the plastic.

UTG High Profile riser mount
https://www.leapers.com/index.php?mitem=Mounting Systems&itemno=MNT-RS10S3
I mounted a old cheap reflex to this and it’s kept zero all summer taking it off after every range visit. Also helps keep your cheek off the buffer tube.

The charging handle took some getting used to but no complaints now. I could see an extended one being handy for smaller people.

Between the sub2k and our 10/22 she's now comfortable with the AR from bench rest.
 
#5 ·
Thanks for the reply and links. I have been really unsure on the bolt tube covers. While I would not be out a whole lot to try one, I have spent way too much money over the years on stuff that never gets used. I was thinking that even if it does not physically help, if it reduces the noise it may mentally help, which leads to same result - a more pleasant experience.

I am not worried about the extra length for packing, and feel that a recoil pad will aid in length of pull as well as comfort for myself. I am happy to hear that your wife also benefits from the longer length. I was worried that it would get too long. Again, I realize the smaller size is more for portability rather than ideal length of pull, so not surprising. I am still on the wall on whether want slip on or permanently attach one. Maybe I should just glue the slip on one on.

I have been playing with a few risers and mounts that I have on hand and find that some of them seem to rock on the rail and not sit flat. This really leads me to be concerned that I would not get back to zero if I remove and replace optic after each trip. I thought about just transporting gun in conventional case and disregard the folding aspect, but know I will fold it to clean and would end up removing optic anyway to avoid damaging it. I have actually been looking at some longer UTG rails on Amazon that take torx to install. I think the longer rail may aid in being sure sight holds zero, but I may be wrong. I would spend less than a minute more to install, but in this age a minute may seem like an eternity as we all want instantaneous results. Actually, I could use the rail on my CX4 Storm if not on this, so would not be a loss to try.

Again thanks for the informative reply. I was hoping someone would state that they see benefit from the add-ons. I realize that a large percentage of people customize not for the benefit but the cool factor, which is fine, but not necessarily an improvement.

If it were for myself and my eyes were 20 years younger, I would likely leave it bone stock or possibly add recoil pad only. Since for wife, I really need to make it as comfortable as possible or she will thing just a toy for me. My biggest concern will be her charging the gun as it does take a fair amount of strength. I wish there were an aftermarket double length charging handle that had a larger diameter. Maybe it would get in the way.
 
#6 ·
A couple of things I've done to my Gen2 9mm that I think are in the area of what you're looking for.
Recoil Pad - I have the one that Dnvrdv linked to above and for me it really makes shooting the sub more enjoyable.
Front Sight - I tried multiple attempts at off-set red dots, etc because I still wanted to fold the gun, but after awhile I took it all off. Too much hassle and it never felt comfortable for me. My old eyes had trouble with the front sight as well so I put in a Tritium/white stripe front post and now I can shoot it well with just irons. See photo below.
Ammo - I have found that shooting 147 grain sub-sonic loads in the Sub makes it much softer shooting than with other loads - much more pleasant to shoot. I found this out by accident one day. I don't shoot the Sub2000 suppressed but I have other 9mm carbines that I do shoot suppressed so that day I happened to have some magazines loaded up with the 147grn subsonic ammo and used it in the Sub2000 by accident.


 
#7 ·
Your sight is what I had in mind. Which one did you choose? I see some are made where you can rotate the sight 360 degrees after adjusting height (swivels independently) , some are two sided and one must set height based on half turn increments. The former is more adjustable, the latter more durable. I am not sure if good for shooting paper targets for precision or more for quick acquisition of center mass or 6" plate type shooting.

I actually pushed a few 147 grain extremes ahead of some true blue when I went to the range as well as some berry's 124 grain ahead of VV N320. I likely only shot a couple dozen rounds each, but know they fed well. I was leaning into the sub and sighting in my sights then an optic that I did not really take the time to stand up and shoot as intended and compare the two. I was also sighting in a Marlin Camp 9, which I admittedly shot the most as I had a dozen magazines loaded for it and only had one mag for the Sub. My mag catch is due here in a couple of days and then I will be able to share mags with the camp. I am playing musical optics and may opt to put my Bushnell TRS-25 on it. I have it on a Beretta CX4 storm and it co-witnesses the factory sights, so hate to move. I guess there is fun in that too.

I need to load some ammo and will start with the 147gr. I have found them to be a good load for our 9mm handguns.

I failed to mention that it appears that my wife prefers optics/dot sights. I think this may be due to the fact that she is fairly new to shooting. It could be because her eyes are older than mine, but I think it is that her groups look better. I still would prefer she shoot the sub with open sights and the camp with optic. Then again, she really does not care what I think.

Thanks again for input.
 
#9 ·
I failed to mention that it appears that my wife prefers optics/dot sights. I think this may be due to the fact that she is fairly new to shooting. It could be because her eyes are older than mine, but I think it is that her groups look better. I still would prefer she shoot the sub with open sights and the camp with optic. Then again, she really does not care what I think.
She's not reading this then.:) After mine shot the sub with the red dot she asked if all the guns could have them. I responded with, "How much can I spend?". The conversation ended there...
 
#8 ·
I'm with you on functional mods. I see lots of cool looking stuff then think, when the hell is that going to get used?
The tacticool bolt tube cover made the boss happy, and I was surprised by the difference. They sell a combo that has a charging handle cover for a couple of bucks more that may be worth a try.
The ATI recoil pad adds maybe half an inch past the end of the barrel when folded. I really didn't want to spend the money on it, but now I think its well worth it.
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#13 ·
I said my rail is high in the middle. I took a good look at it in better light today and realized that the left and right halves do not sign up properly. The right side is higher, so both top and bottom rails are not flat. I doubt I would be able to loosen bolts and align them properly, and hate to make it worse. Have any of you had that issue? I have been looking at ideas if wife would want optic, but want to have open sights as well. I will take it out and shoot it with optics at varying heights to see where I prefer, or if I should buy a flip down rear to keep red dot or scope low. I removed rear sight just to get an idea. I ordered a low riser to put on front of rail so I can fold most of the way if I leave rail on and quick detach to that. I put a pistol scope I bought on eBay a while back but have still not used just to see what it would be like. You may notice that I cut a chunk from old washing machine hose and slid over charging handle.
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#14 ·
I just ordered a tacticool cover. Contemplating the ATI full price new or factory second recoil pad. I am going to see if I can get by without double length charging handle for now. I need to spend the money on reloading supplies and an easier for me to see front sight.

thanks again for your input.
 
#19 ·
I just bought an ATI factory-2nd recoil pad ($23 vs.$40 for factory-1st) and I honestly couldn't tell you why it's a "second". Not a blem on it and it fits perfectly. Still scratching my head over my good luck on that deal! YMMV, but I'm happy with the way mine worked out.
 
#15 ·
Agreed that a buffer tube cover and softer buttpad is worthwhile. I got the Tacticool buffer cover, but not a buttpad. Running a lower recoil 90, 100 or 115 grain load also helps out quite a bit.

My wife still prefers the integrally suppressed AR9 though...at twice the weight it really cuts down on the recoil.
 
#16 ·
I suggest adding either the tacticool or Mcarbo charging handle cover. Pop it in the microwave for 40 seconds or so to soften it up and pop it on with your thumb. The whole process takes less than a minute. When charging it what works best for me is to wrap my index finger around it but wrap my thumb over the top of the buffer tube instead of keeping my whole hand under the buffer tube. This keep my hand from banging into the buttstock and is more comfortable and provides better leverage. I use my strong hand, my right hand.

The tacticool bolt tube cover is a must too. Have her try all three stock positions and choose her most comfortable then cut it to fit.

About the front sight, I wanted to try out something higher viz than black so I bought a $1.60 bottle of liquid paper and painted the back side of it white. I can't believe it but it's working great, at least until I grab a night sight for it.
 
#17 ·
Ok, if you continue to refer to her as your sub-wife, don't expect her to be friendly. :)
 
#22 ·
I used the free spacer pad that came with my motorcycle battery and cut it to contour the back of my butt pad of my 9mm Sub2K. It works and looks good. There isn't much recoil to speak of from the gun but it does add comfort and I am all about that.
 
#23 ·
For those who have the Tacticool recoil tube cover and cut it down, what did you do to secure the loose, flappy end at the rear? I was thinking about using some kind of contact cement like Shoe Goo because that stuff really holds, but it can easily be peeled off when needed.
 
#24 · (Edited)
It's weird, that some of us...including me, find the sub in 9mm to have almost no recoil. I often shoot mine one handed...
I have to second that. I shot his at Phideaux's and had a blast:spot:. It was like shooting a spud-gun. A little thump/nudge at most.
You didn't have sub-sonic ammo in that thing? (pun intended:))
33-round mag stuffed with steel-case ammo?
Suppressor?
The sub in 9mm is the gun we are talking about?
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#26 ·
Thanks for all the replies. I have not had much time to get online and respond. I showed my wife her Christmas present (the Sub2k) this morning. She said very little as unfortunately she is very preoccupied with other issues at hand. She went to North Dakota to visit her parents and watch her mighty NDSU Bison play a couple football games over the past nine days. She no more than got there and her dad ended up in the hospital with heart issues. This is the second time she has gone home and he ended up in the hospital with heart issues while she was there....common denominator?? I dare not joke about it, but does almost make me want her to not go home for his sake. What are the odds?

Anyway, one thing she did comment on is that she does not like needing to put her head so low to look through sights. I am afraid that if I mount an optic up higher that the bolt tube will get a run at it and whack her cheek hard, whereas placing face tight against it will not be as harsh. I have the tactical products cover mounted now and am anxious to take it out myself and test it with optics mounted at various heights.

She has stated that she enjoyed shooting my son's Daniel Defense M4 carbine in 223 the one time she shot it. I have a 22LR conversion on the way for it (actually for another AR style rifle that I plan to buy for her in the future, possibly 25th anniversary in 2018). I have several reasons for shooting 9mm as opposed to 223. First, my local range has many more pistol caliber lanes available than rifle lanes. I am unsure if they would even let me take an AR with 22 conversion in pistol lanes as one could theoretically swap back to 223. Second, I can load several hundred rounds quickly and economically on my Dillon 550B. Third, She owns two 9mm pistols as do I. We have a pair of marlin camp 9 carbines and a Beretta CX4 storm as well, so she could shoot them, which are heavier and aid in recoil reduction, but are....heavier

Thanks for the input on the factory second recoil pad. I am still contemplating riveting a shorter pad to my current fully extended stock with buffer tube cover and ordering a spare to use without. I am unsure about length of pull. I think I will have her shoot it first now that I showed it to her. My original intent was to set it up first so she does not get scared of it if first impression not good. Living in the desert, we do not wear clothing with much for padding built in.

Thanks again for replies. I hope to get out to shoot it this week. Maybe she will opt for the Camp 9 and my daughter will end up with the Sub2k.
 
#27 ·
Made it to the range yesterday and shot the sub with elevated optic as well as open sights. I shot some 124gr handloads that I loaded in lower to mid range of data. I wanted to load some 147, but apparently did not update my inventory list and could not find them. They are on my shopping list. Anyway, I seemed to shoot pretty well with the elevated optic. I was afraid that without good cheek weld that I would be all over the place. I also did not notice any worse cheek slap. I guess I am still used to shooting hunting style rifles rather than the modern sporting type. I think that my wife will get over the different feel of the springy vibration for lack of better explanation of the recoil of the rifle.

I am now to the point of figuring out if I am going to adhere a thin homemade recoil pad or buy one. Again, I may just order extra stock so I can always get back to factory configuration. I think I may order another mag catch as well and see if I can file it down and it will work for all my mags. I will start new post on that.

I used the free spacer pad that came with my motorcycle battery and cut it to contour the back of my butt pad of my 9mm Sub2K. It works and looks good. There isn't much recoil to speak of from the gun but it does add comfort and I am all about that.
I am thinking on the order of VegasSub2K. I just haven't come across anything lying around here yet that looks right. I believe wife would prefer smoother rubber pad than aggressive plastic, as she would likely be shooting wearing t-shirt.
 
#28 ·
Ok, if you continue to refer to her as your sub-wife, don't expect her to be friendly. :)
Man, drag me outta retirement...

If she is a sub, tell her to be friendly.

btw, my small grand daughter (24, short, slim, tough) was over and shot her .38 'cuz she hadn't shot it enough lately. Then she shot a some other stuff. She really liked my new (to me) Dan Wesson .44 mag, and after we were done, and she was about to go home, she talked me into letting her shoot a few rounds of .454 Casull (240 grain xtp's at 2000 f/s = 2000 ft/lbs energy). She loved it.

Seems I'm not alone when I say 'My insensitivities include recoil'.

lop
 
#30 ·
I would like some feedback on what any of you have done to make your 9mm Sub 2000 more pleasant to shoot. What mods have you made or techniques that should be used to make it a more enjoyable extended range session experience for those that are sensitive.

Please refrain from wasting anyones time by stating things like what recoil etc, as they do not help with the situation. I personally do not have a problem, but purchased the sub 2k for my wife who is a new shooter and thinks all rifles are too heavy and kick too much. I am wanting her to enjoy the sport and not be turned off by the things that could be avoided if at all possible. I realize the tradeoff between heavier guns and recoil, etc, and wish to make good use of the Sub 2k and the Marlin camp 9. For the time being, most shooting will likely be done at indoor range at 25 yards or less, some freestanding and some off bench.

I took the sub to the range the first time and did much of my shooting off the bench which was perhaps set too low and I was leaning into the rifle a little more than normal. The observations I made were as follows.

1) although i put a piece of hose on factory charging handle to make more comfortable, my wife will likely have issue charging the weapon.
2) concerned that wife may feel cheek slap uncomfortable. I realize by the nature of design and light weight it will be there but want to minimize it.
3) MY old eyes do not see front sight well. if open sights would like to upgrade to ?? fiber? chevron style?
4) Wife prefers optics, but I would like to leave as designed so can fold and not buy fancy swing mount. Do QD mounts work repeatedly?
5) Although I felt no pain, I noticed red marks on my shoulder. Concerned wife may feel it.

I have done extensive research trying to find what works best on the gen2 in 9mm. Most results pull up gen 1 or 40 cal with little reflection on the 9mm g2 which can be expected as most people will not have issue like they do with the harder hitting 40 cal. I have read up on the following.

1) charging handle options Sumo or extended length
2) heavy bolt
3) gator hide bolt sleeve
4) ATI recoil pad
5) Kel Tec Sub 2000 Lever Actuated Folding Rear Sight
6) heavier brass bolt
I have been reloading 9mm with loads being closer to the starting load than the max load to make it comfortable for my wife to shoot her handguns. I intend on using these loads.

I would appreciate any feedback from those of you that have used any of the mentioned items especially in the 9mm version although some apply equally as well to the 40. I am unsure if adding too much weight via sumo and/or heavier bolt would cause feed issues. I believe I read somewhere where someone added both but probably had full power load. I would prefer to go with just the Sumo to aid in comfort, but also think the double length charge handle may make it easier to charge the weapon. Anyone tried both and have preference? I wish the double had a larger diameter and hate to add hose to it as well.

As for recoil pad, I think I may buy another stock and fasten a pad securely to it. That way, I could swap back to unmodified original in mere seconds and not need to worry about the slip on ripping on me. I figure even with great reviews, I'd be like the few that had them come loose or tear. Has anyone permanently attached recoil pad and if so which one fits best? I would like the added length, but wife may not.

Do the tube covers help when it comes to the slap/vibration or do they only help with controlling temperature? barely noticeable or definitely buy. I suspect my wife would shoot at shortest length and I would prefer longest, which also leads me to ask if an issue extending when cut short. Neither of us sports a beard so no issue getting pinched.:rolleyes:

I sighted in with a Vortex spitfire 1x but removed it when I packed up to come home and have yet to try it to see if holds zero. I am also concerned if would be bad thing for top rail to constantly be putting on and off. I would also think better to keep cheek tight against tube rather than slightly up to look through optic when it comes to cheek slap as gun would not get a run at it to the cheek. I wish I had spent more time and tested it more at the range. again, I was leaning into it and likely would be totally different scenario had I sat more upright. Any suggestions on quick detach mount or height options that work for you? If stick with open sights only, have any of you added a tritium front sight? I bought a pack of KNS precision front sight posts and painted some to use, but it turns out that they sit higher above the threads so one cannot turn down low enough to get on target. I'd like to try a different one but they are $60 a pop and not sure if good for shooting targets at indoor range.

Post getting rather long. Maybe should have split it up, but looking for combo good for new shooter that may be more sensitive than most. Personally, I would leave as it came aside from easier to see front sight post and use the camp 9 for a scoped rifle to use off bench, but that is just me. I am unsure what wife will want and I want to give her something she will enjoy. Both rifles will likely travel together since will use same mags.

Thanks for any feedback.
I would like some feedback on what any of you have done to make your 9mm Sub 2000 more pleasant to shoot. What mods have you made or techniques that should be used to make it a more enjoyable extended range session experience for those that are sensitive.

Please refrain from wasting anyones time by stating things like what recoil etc, as they do not help with the situation. I personally do not have a problem, but purchased the sub 2k for my wife who is a new shooter and thinks all rifles are too heavy and kick too much. I am wanting her to enjoy the sport and not be turned off by the things that could be avoided if at all possible. I realize the tradeoff between heavier guns and recoil, etc, and wish to make good use of the Sub 2k and the Marlin camp 9. For the time being, most shooting will likely be done at indoor range at 25 yards or less, some freestanding and some off bench.

I took the sub to the range the first time and did much of my shooting off the bench which was perhaps set too low and I was leaning into the rifle a little more than normal. The observations I made were as follows.

1) although i put a piece of hose on factory charging handle to make more comfortable, my wife will likely have issue charging the weapon.
2) concerned that wife may feel cheek slap uncomfortable. I realize by the nature of design and light weight it will be there but want to minimize it.
3) MY old eyes do not see front sight well. if open sights would like to upgrade to ?? fiber? chevron style?
4) Wife prefers optics, but I would like to leave as designed so can fold and not buy fancy swing mount. Do QD mounts work repeatedly?
5) Although I felt no pain, I noticed red marks on my shoulder. Concerned wife may feel it.

I have done extensive research trying to find what works best on the gen2 in 9mm. Most results pull up gen 1 or 40 cal with little reflection on the 9mm g2 which can be expected as most people will not have issue like they do with the harder hitting 40 cal. I have read up on the following.

1) charging handle options Sumo or extended length
2) heavy bolt
3) gator hide bolt sleeve
4) ATI recoil pad
5) Kel Tec Sub 2000 Lever Actuated Folding Rear Sight
6) heavier brass bolt
I have been reloading 9mm with loads being closer to the starting load than the max load to make it comfortable for my wife to shoot her handguns. I intend on using these loads.

I would appreciate any feedback from those of you that have used any of the mentioned items especially in the 9mm version although some apply equally as well to the 40. I am unsure if adding too much weight via sumo and/or heavier bolt would cause feed issues. I believe I read somewhere where someone added both but probably had full power load. I would prefer to go with just the Sumo to aid in comfort, but also think the double length charge handle may make it easier to charge the weapon. Anyone tried both and have preference? I wish the double had a larger diameter and hate to add hose to it as well.

As for recoil pad, I think I may buy another stock and fasten a pad securely to it. That way, I could swap back to unmodified original in mere seconds and not need to worry about the slip on ripping on me. I figure even with great reviews, I'd be like the few that had them come loose or tear. Has anyone permanently attached recoil pad and if so which one fits best? I would like the added length, but wife may not.

Do the tube covers help when it comes to the slap/vibration or do they only help with controlling temperature? barely noticeable or definitely buy. I suspect my wife would shoot at shortest length and I would prefer longest, which also leads me to ask if an issue extending when cut short. Neither of us sports a beard so no issue getting pinched.:rolleyes:

I sighted in with a Vortex spitfire 1x but removed it when I packed up to come home and have yet to try it to see if holds zero. I am also concerned if would be bad thing for top rail to constantly be putting on and off. I would also think better to keep cheek tight against tube rather than slightly up to look through optic when it comes to cheek slap as gun would not get a run at it to the cheek. I wish I had spent more time and tested it more at the range. again, I was leaning into it and likely would be totally different scenario had I sat more upright. Any suggestions on quick detach mount or height options that work for you? If stick with open sights only, have any of you added a tritium front sight? I bought a pack of KNS precision front sight posts and painted some to use, but it turns out that they sit higher above the threads so one cannot turn down low enough to get on target. I'd like to try a different one but they are $60 a pop and not sure if good for shooting targets at indoor range.

Post getting rather long. Maybe should have split it up, but looking for combo good for new shooter that may be more sensitive than most. Personally, I would leave as it came aside from easier to see front sight post and use the camp 9 for a scoped rifle to use off bench, but that is just me. I am unsure what wife will want and I want to give her something she will enjoy. Both rifles will likely travel together since will use same mags.

Thanks for any feedback.

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