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Brand new SUB2000 G2

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#1 ·
Hey, all, just picked up a brand new G2 and, while I haven't shot it yet, it looks pretty good. I swore off Kel-Tec pistols well over 10 years ago, but I've always wanted a SUB2000. I didn't even realize they had a greatly improved G2 until just earlier this month. The day I found out, I ordered one and had it sent to my FFL. Nice to see they're actually available these days even in the Glock 19 magazine version. I've been reading about it, so I hope my castle nut doesn't fall off. LOL

Something caught my eye and aroused my curiosity. How does Kel-Tec get away with serializing just the buffer tube? Didn't they serialize the polymer frame on the Gen 1s? I thought, per the BATFE, the serialized part was the receiver you basically hold in your hand and everything else attaches to it. And, it generally contains the trigger fire control parts, too. This buffer tube does none of that. I'm sure Kel-Tec is fine with the legalities, but I'm just wondering how it can be. After all, why not just serialize AR-15 buffer tubes?
 
#3 ·
They did it that way because it makes it easier to swap the grip halves for owners who want a different version. How they worked it out with BATFE I am not privy to.
 
#7 ·
Asked and answered to the best of our knowledge. No need for further discussion. The only ones who can truly answer are Kel-tec, and they don't have a lot of members in here. You might call them if it is that burning a question for you.
 
#11 ·
I did find this, from a post dated on Jan 27/2015.

The reason the SN is on the buffer tube is because of all the different pistol grips to accommodate different magazines which feed at different angles. That way they don't have to assign SN's in blocks for different configurations. The tubes are common to all guns, the pistol grips are not so the guns cane be assembled as needed with SN's being consecutive.
https://www.thektog.org/threads/sub2000-2015-sneak-peek.262414/page-6
 
#14 ·
I'm glad you've had a good experience with yours. I had a jacked up P-32, a couple of P3ATs and P11s. I really wanted to like them. I lived right up the road from KT in Sanford, FL at the time. I drove my stuff in personally to have them fix/replace it and they still couldn't get things running reliably. I even got the tour. When a tech looks at your gun right in front of you and immediately says, "Oh yeah, we'll just replace this" (more than once) that really says something beyond just great customer service. No point in arguing KT pistol reliability in 2004-2005 any further.

What happened...happened... I just recently returned to the KT fold because of my new SUB2000. Compared to what I had, this thing is worlds better. I haven't shot it yet, but it really does feel very much like a quality firearm. Very solid. I'm excited to try it out. Now, if the darned rain would just quit so I can get out and shoot it, that'd be great.
 
#16 ·
I'm actually going to try to get out and shoot it today. From what I've read, KT long guns have generally been better overall than their pistols like they just put more attention into them or something. But, 10+ years is a long time and it seems like KT has improved greatly overall, so I figured I'd give them another try since I've always wanted a SUB2000 and the Gen 2 version just looked so much better. I also read that back around 2012 or so they got some kind of engineering certification (ISO9000, I think) that standardizes and improves quality with frequent inspections at every level.
 
#17 ·
Well with an AR-15 they number the lower receiver. Looking at the ar platform look how many buffer tubes are out there, it is a part that can be damaged. Now the TNW firearms they number the upper receiver not the lower. On the KT there is only one buffer tube available for the gun. It seems that it is all up to the manufacturer and the ATF. Just my rambling thoughts on this.
 
#18 · (Edited)
And, this recoil tube couldn't also be damaged in any of the same ways that could damage an AR buffer tube? Of course it could. It would be very easy to cut a new buffer tube and, presto! "Ghost gun". LOL Heck, I could do it. I just find it hard to believe the BATFE didn't consider that. It's many orders of magnitude harder for a garage hobbyist gunsmith type to make a new receiver, be it polymer or metal.
 
#19 ·
I did get out today and ran 120 rounds through it. 100 ball (WWB and Federal) and 20 Rem Golden Sabers. Flawless. Dare I even say Glock-like reliability. Not one hitch and the sights seemed to be pretty dead on. I didn't shoot any paper, so I can't say exactly how it prints, but I was hitting things at various ranges far more than I was missing them just blasting away out in the desert. Not bad at all for the first time out with it! I'm impressed so far, KT! :tu:
 
#21 ·
Yes, it is. Is it just a solid tube like an AR? Nope and no one ever claimed it was. Is it a simple tube with some cuts and holes? Yup, and it can easily be reproduced. There is nothing special about that tube that makes obtaining the material and doing the work out of the reach of anyone with some solid basic skills.

It is also not the "receiver" in any way. But, since you mentioned the receiver, please show us exactly where it is on the polymer areas that would comprise a traditional receiver.
 
#24 ·
While you are correcting company's on where serail numbers should be placed take a look at Sigs 556 , they put the serial number on the upper receiver. The lower that houses the trigger,hammer and other fire control parts is without any numbers. That's always seemed odd to me.
 
#26 ·
And, this recoil tube couldn't also be damaged in any of the same ways that could damage an AR buffer tube? Of course it could. It would be very easy to cut a new buffer tube and, presto! "Ghost gun". LOL Heck, I could do it. I just find it hard to believe the BATFE didn't consider that. It's many orders of magnitude harder for a garage hobbyist gunsmith type to make a new receiver, be it polymer or metal.
Yes it could be damaged in the same way but it should be returned to KT for repair .
 
#38 ·
Aaaannd I think we're done here. Rule I.

I. KEEP IT NICE: Discussion needs to be respectful and civil in order to keep this a place where constructive information can be shared. Be tolerant of opposing opinions. Address the issues and do not engage in personal attacks. Do not call someone out to berate their point of view. See paragraph III B for further elaboration which applies to all posting on this forum.

https://www.thektog.org/threads/ktog-forum-rules-read-them-now.197131/
 
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