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Old 05-22-2013, 02:51 AM   #1
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Interesting article in the June issue of "American Rifleman". Surprise bullet expansion results from CCI 30 gr. TNT.



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Old 05-22-2013, 04:07 AM   #2
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What was the surprise size?



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Old 05-22-2013, 04:29 AM   #3
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3 / 8 of an inch. Really a man stopper. Sarc....
Its not the gun,but the guy pulling the trigger.

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thats more than I would have guessed

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Correction: 3/16", just read the article.

Agree with the article's conclusion: any gun is better than no gun.

My own addition: if you need to pull the trigger, use as much gun as you can, no handgun is an absolute manstopper. A carry handgun should only be used to get to something heavier, if at all possible. I never leave any weapon in any vehicle for longer than necessary, but I never leave the house without a carry handgun and a rifle (quite often my Sub2K) I can get to quickly.

Yes, some might call it a belt and suspenders approach, but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

YMMV.

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The results of the testing of the .22 mag defensive loads were a bit surprising in that a few of the best loads did expand some, while penetration appeared adequate. Still, even the best .22 mag loads (at least in the 2-4 inch barrel) at full expansion could not come close to matching 9mm wound channel size, let alone larger calibers. While any gun is better than no gun at all in an emergency, with the small .380s and 9mms available today (many of which are much smaller than even .22s of a few years ago), personally I just can't see any good reason for carrying a .22

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personally I just can't see any good reason for carrying a .22

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What Jim said. Plus I can't imagine carrying smaller than a PF-9. One sees occasional stories of big honkin' police calibers NOT stopping assailants until after many hits.
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I liked the article, i also liked the ammunition tests with different barrel lengths i wished the they also included energy ratings but with all the info might of been unnecessary. I will defiantly be looking for some CCI TnT to try out. the 22mag X30 isn't a slouch, the PMR30 is my wifes nightstand gun with a tlr-3 light. 9mm is way better but for my wife the PMR30 fits the bill better then my Walthers.

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Old 05-23-2013, 12:28 PM   #9
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Until 3 yrs ago I have used a 1911 45 as self defence choice.
I am now going on 69 years old, because of doing what I thought was fun I can't use any thing above a ,380.
My idea of fun riding bulls,archery, shooting, judo, wrestling,mountain hiking, riding bicycles,
Old style of Jiu-Jitsu,practicing sword,construction work, I have torn every thing in body,plus wrist and ankles torn many times. I need both shoulder joints completely replaced,working on having it done..
I am still teaching Jiu-jitsu, not going to give anything up,just haft to change my thinking.
What I am saying to all you young guys is, Life is always changing, so don't put everything in stone, adapt, overcome, because change is coming.
By the way, I love my pmr30 and at 21 ft I still can put 10 rds + into center mass, which I am happy about.

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Go Old Skip! I love the Japanese grappling-style martial arts. I got out, for better or worse, before I started falling apart. Might get back in to it if free time ever allows - I find it hard to do anything part-way.



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