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Old 01-02-2017, 04:57 AM   #1
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Hi, I am new to this forum and also new to the KT sub 2000, 40 cal.

First let me say that this is a fascinating little weapon....I love the concept of the rifle but.....I am struggling to get my head down low enough to get my eye on the sight especially with ears on. When I do the recoil kicks the crap out of my face. I know I can get the rubber cover for it and will.

My question is...is there a better way to get a good sight picture without sacrificing my face lol.

I had fun with it today...out of the box ran 4 31 round mags with out a single failure other than my face and shoulder!
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:58 AM   #2
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I had recently bought a sub 2000 also. it came with tandemcross rubber piece. ( say goodby to adjusting LOP )Get a red dot with tall mount. I have an aimpoint compM2 with mine other wise shoulder the stock good and put your cheek at an angle. Good luck!
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These things are pretty much impossible to shoot with muff style hearing protection. Try it with just plugs. Pull the stock firmly into your shoulder to prevent face slap., then lay your cheekbone down on the tube and roll your face forward and in so your nose is just touching the forward collar on the tube. This should bring your eye down and in so the rear sight is in alignment.
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I agree with 3wbdriver's post above (good advice).

However, I just cannot get comfortable using the original sights. They are way too low for me to shoot the Sub 2000 carbines and enjoy it.

My Gen 1 had the original sights removed a long time ago. A TRS-25 red dot, on a riser, on a Red Lion fore end, is now the only sight on my Gen 1. I turn the sight on low and leave it on. So far, the batteries have lasted more than 6 months at a time and are still functioning. I don't know how long they will actually last as I change them at 6 month intervals (they are cheap). I never have to worry about turning on the sight in a hurry or in the dark. Its always on. I truly enjoy shooting my Gen 1 with the red dot only.

I just recently got my Gen 2. At 3 AM this morning, I removed the rear sight and fore end. As soon as I get my morning chores done, I am going to remove the front sight. I had to wait until daylight as I have no heat or working light in my barn where my vise is. I will reassemble the Gen 2 without sights and use only a red dot on it also.

I have the Tacticool rubber covers on my butt stocks. I am not sure they reduce felt recoil, but they do insulate my cheek from freezing cold and blistering heat, which is a good thing.
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Thanks for the advice! I am going to try each of these from least expensive and may have to go to the Red Lion to get it up and running for me.

I have to stick with the muffs, I can stand anything sticking in my ear....and I spent way to much on my ear protection. I hope KT can rethink their sights. You shouldn't have to make big changes to get on the sights.

I'm hard headed I will makes this work for me....thanks again
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I have the same problem as well. Since there are no extra tall rear sight on the market, so I attempted to make one out of steel bar stock with drill press and hand files.

The first one I made was way too high, with extra tall front sight post, my zero is still way off, so I made a second shorter one. Haven't taken it out to the range yet, but with laser bore sight, it ought to zero okay around 30 - 50 yrds or so.
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Thanks for the advice! I am going to try each of these from least expensive and may have to go to the Red Lion to get it up and running for me.

I have to stick with the muffs, I can stand anything sticking in my ear....and I spent way to much on my ear protection. I hope KT can rethink their sights. You shouldn't have to make big changes to get on the sights.

I'm hard headed I will makes this work for me....thanks again
You don't have to go to the Red Lion. Just remove the front and rear sights (they are just an annoyance when using the red dot) and put them in storage (easily done - I took mine off today in less than 2 minutes) and mount an inexpensive red dot (I have seen them online for as little as $19.95 in the last week) on the top Picatinny rail of the plastic fore end. Some red dots come with risers, but you can get them in 1/2", 3/4", and 1" heights to bring the red dot up to the height you are comfortable with.

Once you have a working combination, you can use it as a base for upgrading as desired.

Also, I can't deal with anything stuck in my ear. I used to use big muffs. They were the only ones available. About 2 years ago, I bought a set of very thin muffs. They are just as good, if not better than the big ones.
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I have thin muffs also. But the sub isn't so loud. So I usually end up with just plugs.
As for removing the rear sight, check the FAQ.
There is a free mod that takes 2 seconds to make your factory sight a folding rear sight.
If I made a taller one, I would want it to fold also.
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Try this ear muff-. Howard Leight by Sperian.
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After 40 years of shooting I found ears I really like.....I am going to try to make the weapon work for me and not have to work for it....if that makes since. I have 3 other assault rifles and a a few long guns as well as a bunch of hand guns....so this little sub 2000 is going to work. Haha.

The longer or taller sights would be a good idea and I think that's a great way to go but I don't have my machine tools anymore so back to trying all the ideas you guys a have suggested.....except the change of ears....did I mention I was hard headed!

Thanks so much for all the help.
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