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Old 01-16-2017, 01:44 AM   #11
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Watch the videos at the web site. It is a way to simulate full automatic.
I got in the device. It is pretty crude, and will need some "fitting" to slide freely.


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Old 01-16-2017, 02:18 AM   #12
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Watch the videos at the web site. It is a way to simulate full automatic.
I got in the device. It is pretty crude, and will need some "fitting" to slide freely.
It won't be legal because the shooter's finger is not what depresses the trigger. The slide-fire systems effectively "lift" the shooter's finger off of the trigger.
Each round is fired by the person's finger depressing the trigger.
That's how they skirt the law; it's in the law's definition of a semi-auto.
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One round is fired by each press of the shooter's finger on the trigger
The device must not depress the trigger, just the shooter's finger.
If you look close at the video, his trigger finger is on the second part of the device. It's not even inside the trigger guard.
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The device is what is depressing the trigger.
Just like the "music-box" crank setup a guy sold for the 10-22's.

He lost his appeal and is still serving time.

But... if you are among friends, who cares. (like solvent-traps ie: oil-filter suppressors)



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Old 01-16-2017, 06:50 PM   #13
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My understanding was the ATF considers only how many rounds fire, with a
single pull of trigger. One trigger pull/one round, ok. One trigger pull/
multiple rounds--becomes something else. I'm not familiar with any
reg/rule stipulating "only a finger" can depress the trigger, I'm all ears on that.

They do show an ATF approval letter on the site...

http://www.bairarms.com/pages/atf-approval


Is this the "music box crank setup a guy sold for 10-22s"??

http://www.basspro.com/BMF-Activator/product/12042605030917/

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Old 01-16-2017, 07:29 PM   #14
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No legal expert here but if the intent of this device is specifically to allow multiple rounds to fire from non-Class III licensed weapon then the ATF will not be happy. I would expect the vendor/owner of such a device to receive a free pair of steel bracelets in the near future.

Not trying to be a killjoy. Just inserting my 2 cents worth.

EDIT: Well I see I'm wrong. I just read the ATF has given their okay to these devices. I couldn't afford the ammo to make it worthwhile but if you can, go for it.
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Sorry if stupid question but.....What is Bump Firing?
Here is Lisa installing a Slidefire bumpfire stock on an AR-15 then firing it!

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My understanding was the ATF considers only how many rounds fire, with a
single pull of trigger. One trigger pull/one round, ok. One trigger pull/
multiple rounds--becomes something else. I'm not familiar with any
reg/rule stipulating "only a finger" can depress the trigger, I'm all ears on that.

They do show an ATF approval letter on the site...

http://www.bairarms.com/pages/atf-approval


Is this the "music box crank setup a guy sold for 10-22s"??

http://www.basspro.com/BMF-Activator/product/12042605030917/
Pretty close.
And I made a mistake.
It wasn't the guy selling it, it was the guy using it that got convicted. And I'm pretty sure it was violation of a STATE law that he went away for. I can't find the appeal brief now to save mePullingHairOut.gif.
To be clear:
1. Manufacturing a "gadget" to make a gun rapid-fire is legal.
2. Selling the gadget is legal.
3. Shipping the gadget to a customer is legal.
4. Possession of the gadget as long as there is no gun to put it on, is legal.
5. Putting it on a gun MAY make the gun illegal.

I think the ATF finds itself in a game of Whack-a-Mole as gadgets are appearing everywhere and they, (the ATF), are no longer sure what constitutes an illegal machine-gun.

I say just have fun but don't show it off in front of guys with badges.

(and tell them to make one for a real gun like the RFB)clap.gif

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Old 01-17-2017, 12:59 AM   #17
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Perfectly legal. One round per trigger pull. Doesn't matter what pulls the trigger as long as only one round goes off. These devices just help you pull the trigger 700 times per minute.
I wouldn't put one on an AR pistol, but a carbine, no issue at all.
If you explore his website, they are working on the RFB, they want to get them out for bullpups, actually have them ahead of the S2K on the list.
Seems like a nice guy, contact them for details on the time frame.
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I was told hopefully next year for MP-5 and S2K. Depending on how soon they could get working models to the ATF review and get tooling made.
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Pretty close.
And I made a mistake.
Eh, a few, actually...but it goes with 'gran poo-bah'
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It wasn't the guy selling it, it was the guy using it that got convicted. And I'm pretty sure it was violation of a STATE law that he went away for. I can't find the appeal brief now to save meAttachment 27222.
To be clear:
1. Manufacturing a "gadget" to make a gun rapid-fire is legal.
2. Selling the gadget is legal.
3. Shipping the gadget to a customer is legal.
4. Possession of the gadget as long as there is no gun to put it on, is legal.
5. Putting it on a gun MAY make the gun illegal.

I think the ATF finds itself in a game of Whack-a-Mole as gadgets are appearing everywhere and they, (the ATF), are no longer sure what constitutes an illegal machine-gun.

I say just have fun but don't show it off in front of guys with badges.

(and tell them to make one for a real gun like the RFB)Attachment 27223
If you check the BMF (currently sold by Bass Pro, a known nefarious
criminal enterprise) ad, it says no sales for CA, CT, IA and MN. So #1,2,
3, & 4 are federally legal, and only illegal in those 4 liberal states. #5 is
actually correct (Yay!)--Feds don't want to see it on anything but long guns. Stick one on your 1911 and you is illegalissimo.

And the BMFs been around at least thirty years...so no whack-a-mole'. Ole!



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